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bigtree

(94,270 posts)
Tue Sep 19, 2023, 11:58 AM Sep 2023

If you're spending time worrying over our Dem incumbent, you're doing opposition politics wrong

...co-opting mostly meaningless polls this early out in the race is actually co-opting someone else's self-serving narrative.

Elections are certainly a referendum on the incumbent, but this race is against someone who also has a track record in office, a record of failure and criminality which outstrips concerns over 'age' and other minor faults Biden may have.

It's the opposition's hope, and the media's ambition, to equalize Trump's 91 criminal charges with Pres. Biden's record of many historic accomplishments and achievements.

That criminality isn't some abstract theme running in the background of the republican candidacy. It's a dominate theme which Trump, himself, is elevating above all else as his most prominent appeal. He wants the race to be a referendum on his criminal guilt vs. what amounts to a demagogic whispering campaign against his Democratic opponent.

More than that, Trump republicans believe that if they focus enough on Pres, Biden's fitness, it will allow them to highlight Kamala Harris as next-in line, and enable them to introduce the racism and misogyny which animates republican voters like none else.

What Democrats have in this WH is a strong and capable team which is laser-focused on elevating Americans' needs and interests above the self-interest of a republican political class obsessed with propping up a dissembling criminal.

It makes no sense to ask ourselves if any of this media-driven, push polling concern is a real threat to Pres. Biden. Voters' aren't as 'anxious' about the president as they are about the prospect of this media normalizing this multi-felony indicted criminal as a legitimate political challenge to our historically successful Dem incumbent.

The real worry is that voters may be snookered into accepting the media narrative. Therefore, our challenge is to keep turning the discussion back to the actual choices in this election, and to avoid handwinging over media-driven narratives which equalize petty concerns with clear and present threats to our democracy.

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If you're spending time worrying over our Dem incumbent, you're doing opposition politics wrong (Original Post) bigtree Sep 2023 OP
100%. right down the line. -(nt)- stopdiggin Sep 2023 #1
I really think that repeating daily polls this far out and helping the GOP Walleye Sep 2023 #2
Absolutely. +100. People WILL be snookered,. Hortensis Sep 2023 #3
Once Trump starts getting convictions, our job will be easier. Qutzupalotl Sep 2023 #4
Thank you. I personally am not ready to count Biden out. shrike3 Sep 2023 #5

Walleye

(44,812 posts)
2. I really think that repeating daily polls this far out and helping the GOP
Tue Sep 19, 2023, 12:10 PM
Sep 2023

Also the media is addicted to polls. I think they’d be just as happy never to do anything but reports polls. National polls are meaningless anyway as Hillary won the popular vote the national polls were pretty close to correct. Plus Trump is bound to commit more crimes between now and the election

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. Absolutely. +100. People WILL be snookered,.
Tue Sep 19, 2023, 01:27 PM
Sep 2023

Our job is to make sure WE aren't and that we don't spread disinformation.

As for polls, how many times have we all been told by professionals that we shouldn't pay attention to polls this far out and that most are published to manipulate us? The poll part's easy.

Qutzupalotl

(15,824 posts)
4. Once Trump starts getting convictions, our job will be easier.
Tue Sep 19, 2023, 02:38 PM
Sep 2023

For instance: “We've seen how Donald Trump treats our nation's most valuable secrets. Now he expects us to give him another chance. Another chance to carelessly leave classified documents where foreign spies can get them. Vote NO on another Trump term.” (visuals of MAL docs everywhere)

Or if it's J6/ fake electors: “Donald Trump lost the election but tried to stay in power by force. He called up a violent mob that tried to kill Mike Pence and members of Congress. That's not American. Vote NO on another Trump term…or this could be our last fair election.”

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
5. Thank you. I personally am not ready to count Biden out.
Tue Sep 19, 2023, 04:23 PM
Sep 2023

Not yet, anyway. I may change my mind, but the media and a lot of other people had their shovels ready for Biden in 2020. Look how that turned out. Politics is a strange business.
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