Have the Democrats made their point and it is time to end the shutdown.

[everyonematters]

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	180 (96%)
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[usedtobedemgurl]

1. You should word it properly..

It is time to end the shut down and take away insurance from a large part of the population, leaving them defenceless, if they get sick. Fixed it for you.

[Tree Lady]

12. My granddaughters insurance portion

At 27 was $100 now will be $900. The only thing good about it, is it finally affects my republican daughter who helps her financially. She is finally seeing what I have been talking about, how the tax cuts were permanent for the rich from years ago but healthcare subsidies end this year.

My granddaughter is married with two toddlers so can't go without insurance. Her husband stays home and watches the kids and they live in CA so my daughter pays part of their expensive rent.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

34. Republican daughter voted for this.

She did, she really did, and regretting her vote now is meaningless. It's just a shame that the rest of us, who knew better, didn't vote for him.

Anyone at all who voted for him deserves the cuts. Alas, the rest of us don't but we lose out also.

I'm entirely over hearing about people who voted for Trump and now regret it.

So who will Republican daughter vote for in the mid-term? Democrats all the way? She'll probably vote for every person with an R after their name and just not understand why things continue to get worse.

[Tree Lady]

37. Have no idea who she will vote for

But living in CA I am never worried her vote will change anything, just glad she will finally feel what is happening. Her boyfriend of 7 yrs worked on her for years before she changed and the other managers at work, she is manager makes good money and thought she could save money with republicans.

My younger daughter a CPA has told her she would have to be rich not just good money for it to help.

My fingers have been crossed for years she will break up with boyfriend, I can't stand him.

[Luz]

18. Is it time to end the shut down to ensure 42 million

people don't starve?

The republicans have put dems in a bad spot here. So what happens at the end of December? Everyone pays higher health care costs, and we're still hungry?

[Torchlight]

30. I think the GOP has put the GOP in a worse spot here

Hungry people will place blame squarely on the shoulders of those controlling of the process, the choices, and the decisions-- the GOP.

[EarlG]

31. Republicans are choosing to let people starve

by not tapping emergency funds for SNAP. They could do this, but they've chosen not to.

Republicans have put themselves into this position: Trump is claiming that he has ultimate authority over everybody. To prove this, he has formed a secret federal police force which he has specifically sent into cities where the public elected Democrats, and he is hunting people down and disappearing them without due process, in violation of their Constitutional rights. He's also knocked down one third of the White House without asking anybody for permission. He's also using the US military to murder people in the Caribbean, just because he says he can.

Trump's position is that it doesn't matter what bills Congress passes or what money they appropriate, he can just decide where and when to spend that money all on his own, like a king. He can take funding for disaster relief and make sure it only goes to states where the majority voted for him. He can cut money from infrastructure projects in states where the majority voted against him. He can pay the military with a $130 million donation from a private citizen.

So the Dems are right -- what's the point in re-opening the government if they can't trust that the money they're appropriating will ever reach the people it's supposed to? They weren't elected to Congress just to rubber-stamp everything that Trump wants. Democrats try and try to save people from the worst excesses of Republicans, but Trump has now thwarted their power to even do that. There's little they can do to stop the ship sinking at this point, even if they do bend the knee and re-open government.

But... when the ship sinks, people blame the captain. Trump is the captain -- and not only is he the captain, but he's spent every day of the last year making sure that everyone is reminded that he's the captain -- he's doing it all by himself, with no assistance from anyone else, and he's repeatedly told everyone that he's the best captain the world has ever seen, or will ever see. He's already positioned himself as the figurehead for whatever is about to happen. And his current approval/disapproval numbers are already underwater on all the issues. I don't see how this gets better for him when his only response to people going hungry is to whine that it's the Democrats' fault.

[Hekate]

44. Yep

[leftstreet]

2. What point do you think they were making?

[CurtEastPoint]

3. ahem: it is time FOR THE REPUBLICANS to end the shutdown. They control all 3 branches

[Torchlight]

4. Why place onus of responsibility on Dems rather the guys who broke it?

I don't see it as Dems making a point but rather Dems doing their job.

Comes across as asking, "Did Kiev prove its point yet? Should they surrender now to avoid further bloodshed?"

[kentuck]

5. Democrats should agree to let millions of people lose their healthcare?

The people get screwed.

What difference does it make if the government is open or shutdown if their plan is to screw the people that need the help?

[Volaris]

6. The screaming faces in the leopards mouths havent even started yet

That will be Nov 1st. The POINT of ALL of this, is for the average MAGA to finally have to touch the hot stove.
Besides. What are dems supposed to do when Trump and his house elves TOTALLY CONTROL CONGRESS?
THEY can stop this in 5 minutes, but trump won't let them.
If they want OUR help bailing them out of their own problem they put themselves in, they have to cave to our demands. Again, Trump WONT LET THEM.
The only other option, is to put dems back in control of congress.
Until the average MAGA understands all that, no, leave it the fuck shut down.
Cause MAGA owns this one.
Fuck em.

[tirebiter]

7. The point has been made but it is not time to end is what I meant to say.

This q+a is illogical for accuracy

[Happy Hoosier]

8. What point? If we end it without th ACA fix...

… the American people lose and Democrats caved, yet again.

[Quiet Em]

9. A better question is, why is the con artist willing to starve people and make health care premiums unaffordable for

millions, and why do you think it's ok for him to shutdown the Government to do these cruel, inhumane things?

[johnnyfins]

29. Well, he is giving all of us a grand gold

Ballroom...

[BannonsLiver]

10. Not a good time to be soft.

[BH liberal]

11. The real point is...

that the Republicans cannot be trusted to keep their word about doing anything later.

[bigtree]

13. did I miss something?

...did republicans end their shutdown?

[Hekate]

14. Hell no. MAGAGOP started this, not the Dems. The Dems are fighting back as best we can.

Li’l Pervy the Speaker of the House gift wrapped his spine and gave it to Trump.

Li’l Pervy has as good as dissolved the House of Representatives. Do you understand what that means? HE CAN STOP THIS ANY TIME HE WANTS.

What MAGAGOP is demanding of Democrats is complete capitulation, under pretext of negotiation, and by now anybody with eyes to see knows that.

[Oneironaut]

15. Since the Republicans are refusing to compromise, anything other than a complete caving to their demands wouldn't work.

[Hekate]

16. One more thing: How would you like 7 million people in the streets screaming at the Dems?

For real. No dancing frogs and unicorns this time.

[Tree Lady]

38. And staying home again not voting

Because the dems are weak.

[Hekate]

43. Bingo

[JI7]

17. Democrats are in the minority in Congress. It's Republicans that are causing the shut down.

[Initech]

19. This is not the democrats' shut down.

This shut down is 100% a gigantic temper tantrum brought to you by the MAGA Qongress and their Fox News masters because they no longer want to live in a civilized democracy. Don't let them gaslight you.

[kerouac2]

20. Waaaaay too many repub voters are going to hurt

And they will be begging for it to stop. Problem is, if/when trump and GOP decides to end it, they will claim and get the credit. You can't fix stupid and their supporters are that -- on top of being terrible sheeple.

[mvd]

21. Definitely not yet

But if so many go hungry and lose health insurance, there will be a lot of pressure for something to happen.

[Jbraybarten]

22. It's the GOP shutdown. They control the gov & can end it at any time. Any. Time.

[Initech]

24. This shut down was 100% a "fuck you" to us.

Because their stupid orange man baby turd emperor wasn't president from 2021 - 2024. And they're shit talking everything to get people stirred up for the midterms. Fuck them and their stupid temper tantrum.

[Jbraybarten]

25. absolutely. The GOP, especially their leader is happy to destroy the country.

[taxi]

23. Good grief! The infinite republican theory of a thousand republicans making a thousand promises

will eventually lead to an honest answer is just a pipe dream. They are republicans. We can never believe that they will act in good faith or keep a promise.
The infinite monkey theory is sometimes used to demonstrate a whole variety of things, but we must keep in mind that monkeys can be trained. We are dealing with republicans who willfully derail any attempts at progress. There is no point to be made.

[Permanut]

26. Should we give our lunch money to the schoolyard bully again?

[Hekate]

45. Susan Collins says the bully has learned his lesson & will henceforth be nice

We can believe her, right?

[marble falls]

27. Mike Johnson is who decides when the shutdown is over. He can end it all by himself.

[Keepthesoulalive]

28. People tell dems to stand up and fight back

When it hurts you want them to capitulate, but if they do you will not like the results and people who vote will say both parties are the same. They will vote for the party they perceive to be strong or worse they won’t vote at all.

[Ritabert]

32. No. Republicans aren't going to spare the ACA subsidues no matter what

And there are big SNAP cuts in the Big Bad Bill so nothing will get better.

[Vinca]

33. There's a tipping point where it's beneficial to hold out vs. non beneficial. People going without food and federal

workings not being paid after a month might be it. If they do end it, they should have a national, televised press conference first so people know who to blame when their insurance premiums skyrocket.

[obamanut2012]

35. There is no "point," this isn't an acdemic debate

It is trying to save people's lives.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

36. Remind me again which party started the shutdown?

And why exactly should the Democrats give in to these bullies?

[Xolodno]

39. No. They want to kill off the ACA and Trump wants to wipe out Obama's...

...signature legislation.

Problem is, the ACA is popular amongst their own and they need Democrats to be complicit so they can "say" they tried to negotiate but could not come to an agreement. Thus saying we are just as responsible.

They thought Democratic leaders would cave like last time. This is thier mess, let them own every part of it.

[Demsrule86]

40. They are trying to destroy the ACA...healthcare for millions...

We can't back down period. And any Dem who tries to should be primaryed and shown the door.

[demmiblue]

41. ...

[Autumn]

42. This is Trumps Republicans shutdown. Maybe they should do their job and negotiate with the Dems.