Those who REFUSED to vote for VP Harris in 2024 have blood on their hands, and will never be able to live this disaster

[lostincalifornia]

they have contributed to down.

[leftstreet]

1. Those who refused to vote for Carter gave us Reagan

[drmeow]

21. YES!

Everyone starting with all those who didn't vote for Carter and all those who voted for every single Republican since.

[USS_Dauntless]

30. DU is the place where I started learning just what

a GIGANTIC POS Ronald Reagan was. I was in my early 20's back then.

[creon]

33. He was

Reagan was useless.

An ignorant actor

[MichMan]

52. Yet he had a Democratic House his entire presidency

They passed every piece of legislation that he signed

[tritsofme]

56. The bloc of "Boll weevil Democrats", the remnants of the Conservative Coalition, held the balance of power.

It was before congressional realignment, these were mostly Southern Democrats who just wouldn’t be in the party today.

[misanthrope]

73. He wasn't useless

He was quite useful in soft-selling the selfishness and bigotry that characterized his era.

[Polybius]

44. Well, if we're going back that far...

Those who refused to vote for Humphrey gave us Nixon.

[yardwork]

60. I'm still angry about that!

[OrlandoDem2]

2. All murderers!

[yellow dahlia]

7. Right, Botany.

Harris did not lose.

This is an illegitimate "government". And they are acting like one.

[Floyd R. Turbo]

4. They don't care!

[Ms. Toad]

5. Knock it off.

This constant berating of mythical DU participants who refused to vote for Harris is really tiresome.

How about you bop on over to free republic and dump the blame where it actually belongs

[nini]

6. Mythical?

I remember people blaming Harris for all things Israel and refusing to vote for her.

[Ms. Toad]

10. Please link to a single post on DU by someone who refused to vote for in the general election.

I'll wait.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

23. It is NOT DU posters who gave the election to Trump twice

There are a ton of voters who voted for trump who should be ashamed

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

The Somali voter now should regret their votes

Another group who had members voting for trump and regret it

Finally, Green Party voters gave the election to trump twice

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[AloeVera]

32. You forgot the black, hispanic and youth voter. Women too.

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Interesting.

[Ms. Toad]

37. Then why repeatedly post scolding posts here?

There's at least one a week, and it got really old a long time ago.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

67. In the real world, trump was elected because too many people voted for trump and are now regretting it

While few if any DUers may be guilty of this, there were a good number of Democrats and other groups who did such as the Uncommitted people types who refused to vote for Harris because of Gaza. These voters need to be called out for their votes.
Donald Trump has a message for voters who disapprove of President Joe Biden’s Israel/Gaza policy from the left: The Republican intends to be vastly worse.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-hardline-position-us-policy-gaza-matters-rcna150391

In theory, Donald Trump might recognize the electoral opportunity and try to appeal to those who disapprove on the incumbent president’s Israel/Gaza policy from the left. In practice, the former president has an unsubtle message for Biden’s critics: If given the chance, the Republican intends to be vastly worse.

The Biden White House, for example, acknowledged this week that it is, as the Associated Press reported, “weighing measures to help Palestinians living in the United States who want to bring family from the war-torn region.”

Soon after, as Reuters reported, the presumptive GOP nominee shared his thoughts on the subject at a campaign rally.

“Your towns and villages will now be accepting people from Gaza and various other places,” Trump said, eliciting boos from the crowd. “Under no circumstances shall we bring thousands of refugees.” Last week, Trump described the pro-Palestinian protests as driven by “tremendous hate” while asserting that the violence at a 2017 white nationalist rally with some Trump supporters in Charlottesville, Virginia, when he was president was small by comparison.

Note, at one of his campaign events yesterday, Trump appeared to goad his followers in Wisconsin into booing Palestinian refugees.

Link to tweet

At the same event, the former president also vowed to restore and expand the Muslim ban he imposed during his first term......

The former president also endorsed ongoing Israeli military operations, saying, “We have to let Israel complete their war on terror. It’s a horrible thing, but they have to do it.” Trump added that Israel must “clean out the cancer.”

Let’s also not forget a New York Times report from March that said top members of Trump’s team want to expel Palestinians from Gaza.

It’s as if the Republican is going out of his way to alienate voters who, given their frustrations with Biden’s policy, might be inclined to give Trump a second look.

TFG will bring back the Muslim ban, give Bibi free reign to bomb and destroy Gaza and expel Palestinians from Gaza so that Jared can build his resorts.

[Ms. Toad]

71. Still waiting for a link to anyone on DU who refused to vote for Harris. n/t

[LearnedHand]

101. Instead of excoriating these people, it would be useful to ask why they protest voted

It does zero good to play the blame game.

[lostincalifornia]

65. It is also naive to think that only DU members view this site. I suspect there are a good share of non-DU members

who voted green or third party who view posts here.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

69. I agree

Non-DUers also read this website.

[Boo1]

47. None admitted to it

But they were certainly on here spewing the type of message that people who WERE admitting to it were saying.

[Nixie]

13. I remember seeing that exactly as you describe.

There was even at least one congressperson leading that charge against Harris and discouraging people from voting for her.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

70. I remember that also

Again, there was several democrats including at least one member of the Justice Democrats types who pushed the Uncommitted concept and who refused to endorse Harris

[Nixie]

75. Exactly. But they are not held accountable for their stupid,

destructive, counter productive scheme. Instead they think other elected officials have to yell louder after they took their majority away. It will never make sense.

[yellow dahlia]

78. Rashida Talib?

She was a problem from the get-go. Not a legitimate voice in my mind.

Not a fan of Cory Bush either - she was short-sighted.

But, that being said - Harris did not lose.

[Nixie]

83. Yes, Talib was actively campaigning against Harris. The sore loser Cory Bush was part of that dumbness and it

looks like it cost her. Short-sighted is a kind description.

I am so glad to see that there is more attention to the bizarre results in certain areas that can only be the result of errors, so it does look like a very plausible conclusion that the intentional manipulations caused this Harris outcome. I tend to agree that there was sabotage of epic proportions -- Trump admitted it himself in his thank you to Elon Musk....? Seems that way.

[yellow dahlia]

84. Yes. Musk has blood on his hands.

But he doesn't give a shit. He is impervious to empathy. He is a drug addled resentful ugly person.

[Diraven]

8. Who said they were DU participants?

[Ms. Toad]

9. It's posted on DU.

Seems to be the logical implication. Otherwise, why post the scolding post here?

[lostincalifornia]

18. No it isn't. Perhaps it is YOU jumping to WRONG conclusions. The abandon Harris groups, the genocide Kamala and

Jill Stein idiots, etc.

You seem to want to censor frustrations that people express on this board all the time if it doesn't fit in your view of the world.

No where is it mentioned in the OP or in this dialog blaming ANYONE on DU. That is all on you.

[Ms. Toad]

55. I'm just tired of the weekly scolds directed at democrats

For Republicans bad behavior.

[yardwork]

85. The OP says their post is aimed at people who voted for Trump.

A vote for Trump was "bad behavior" imo.

We complain all the time here about the bad things Americans are doing. Voting for Trump was an exceptionally bad thing to do, so I don't see why discussing it should be off limits.

[AloeVera]

104. With respect, the O/P clearly does not say that. Nowhere is Trump mentioned, even.

It blames those who REFUSED to vote for Harris.

I may be wrong, but I thought "refused" meant being asked to do something you are expected to do and willfully and jarringly turning it down. Going against the grain.

We knew and Harris knew MAGAs were not going to go against the grain of their false god and emperor. It is neither news nor cause for fury and outrage that they voted for him.

NO, in my view, and clearly in the view of many others here, the implication of the O/P is quite clear and has nothing to do with MAGAs voting the way we always knew they would vote. It has everything to do with Gaza and the uncommitted/leave it blank movement, as well as the Muslim vote. Hence the many responses and the "lively" debate.

But let's not give a pass so easily.

The real question and issue for me is: When are Democrats going to stop blaming other Democrats and maybe start asking instead what the lessons are here for the party going forward?

[Scrivener7]

11. Thank you.

[lostincalifornia]

14. YOU KNOCK IT OFF. No WHERE DID I MENTION DU OR ANYONE IN DU WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR VP HARRIS.

It was obvious that I was referring to THOSE WHO DIDN'T vote for VP Harris. Magas, 3rd party voters, etc.

[Ms. Toad]

16. Kind of pointless to post it on DU,

If you aren't directing it at DU participants.

[lostincalifornia]

19. Excuse my french but bullshit. Your implying that I am accusing DU members of something I am not doing. As far as

I am concerned, I will put you on ignore.

[BannonsLiver]

22. I'm reminded of a line in Hamlet about protesting too much.

[leftstreet]

17. It feels like scolding to the community

And in light of recent developments, like say Democratic reps voting FOR funding of ICE, it's confusing.

Would a Harris victory have prevented that vote?

[AloeVera]

48. Oh really?

Now you're saying you meant Magas too? Since when did we ever think Magas would ever vote for her but REFUSED to do so?

No, your implication in the o/p was clear.

If not DU members, then certainly other Democrats.

Perhaps you meant the 6 or 7 million who voted for Biden but who stayed home for Harris? Do you really think they have "blood on their hands" too? Personally, I think "blood" is the main reason they stayed home! The blood of innocents... But I know others blame misogyny or racism - odd to think other Democrats would be guilty of these things, but to each his own way of not having to reflect on their own failings and responsibility, I guess.

Or is it just a certain segment of Democrats you are blaming, the demographics where Trump increased his support? Blacks, women, hispanics, youth - geez, that's a large segment of the Democratic base!

Or is it a smaller minority and their supporters - too small to have made a difference - that you think has blood on their hands?

The questions are rhetorical of course.

[AloeVera]

50. "Unconscionable" is why they stayed home.

That's the hard truth and no amount of blame-shifting is going to sweep it under the rug - though many still keep trying.

When 80% of your base strongly opposes a particular foreign policy you insist on pursuing, you are sure to lose a certain percentage of that base.

There is no complexity or mystery here. Except for the "mystery" of why the base was ignored.

Stop blaming the Democratic base, as the o/p is doing. They were obviously neither in charge nor listened to.

[LearnedHand]

102. So much this!

[Torchlight]

59. What pratical paths forward would you suggest?

[leftstreet]

15. +1

[W_HAMILTON]

27. Then why do some seem so intent to defend those that apparently do not exist?

Furthermore, if we can complain about Democrats on a website specifically devoted to supporting Democrats, surely we can complain about those fucking morons that didn't support and vote for the Democrat that wouldn't have any of this terribleness happening if she we're elected.

[AloeVera]

36. No problem, as long as you're an equal opportunity blamer and guilt-tripper.

But I guess blaming blacks, hispanics, women and youth - all demographics where Trump gained - is a bridge too far??

But Muslims and Palestinian supporters are - what? Fair game?

Now why single them out, as I've seen on this thread and countless others? Surely that's not right, is it? I mean, for one, haven't they suffered enough in the last few years? How are they different from all the other minorities and demographics?

What's the motivation here? Hmmm...

People here are pretty smart. They can figure it out.

[Ms. Toad]

38. Give me a link to a single post on DU by someone who refused to vote for Harris. n/t

[MichMan]

53. Wouldn't posts advocating that have been alerted and removed?

Even if there were some, the links would just say "Post Removed"

[Ms. Toad]

54. Not necessarily.

Being removed requires an alert and a majority vot, neither of which are certainties.

[jmbar2]

76. Completely agree! Divisive shit-stirring

I see these "let's you and him fight" posts appear in waves across multiple social media channels. They want us divided ahead of upcoming midterms.

Don't take the bait.

[Emile]

93. The purity police doing their part.

[GreenWave]

105. Exactly! Internecine warfare is what the plutocrats want, Fuck them!

[yellow dahlia]

77. Thank you.

Harris did not lose.

[yardwork]

87. I've read and reread the OP and it doesn't say DU.

I'm not reading the OP as being about DUers. However, I'm fascinated that a handful of DUers are taking this OP very personally.

I have to wonder why.

[Ms. Toad]

95. Zero point in posting it here if it isn't directed at DU.

And not just once. It (or some very similar scold blaming progressives, rather than Trump for his actions) pops up about once a week. It only serves to increase tensions over old diferences about who should have been our candidate, how they should have run their campaign, and is it is tiresome.

[yardwork]

98. Most OPs here are not directed at DUers.

In fact, strictly speaking I think it's a violation of DU rules to post OPs directed at other DUers.

I don't know what the OP intended but I happen to agree with shaming people who should've known better but selfishly chose a very evil action.

I'm just not in any mood to forgive and forget.

[Ms. Toad]

99. You seriously believe DU members are writing posts to the wide world, rather than

to members of the progressive board they joined? If that is the case, why do we ban responses from those other folks who aren't progressives?

Any post on DU is directed to DU members. That is the point of posting here.

As for shaming people who should have know better but chose to refuse to vote for Harris - for the umpteenth time - please provide a link to a single post on DU in which someone refused to vote for Harris.

No one is asking you to forgive and forget. Just direct your anger to forums in which those people hang out, rather than DU.

There is zero point in beating a dead horse among progressives. All it does is increase dissent when we need to be united.

[orangecrush]

91. +1

[LetMyPeopleVote]

100. BREAKING: Kamala Harris has received the Guinness World Record ⭐️ for the Largest "I Told You So" in Human History

[in2herbs]

12. I watched a video the other day and the reporter looked directly into the camera and said that everything that

is happening in the US now and throughout the entire world is the fault of Republicans in the US.

[yellow dahlia]

80. Easy to substantiate.

[GoodRaisin]

20. The blood is on the hands of congressional Republicans, the only ones with the power to stop it.

But they just sit back and watch.

Every Republican needs to be voted out in 2026.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

24. Hillary and Kamala were right

Hillary and Kamala were right

— (@kitkat295.bsky.social) 2026-01-21T10:33:44.495Z

[mcar]

25. K&R

[FHRRK]

26. I chose to put the blame where it most belongs

The piece of shit Republicans who voted for trump

[QueerDuck]

28. AND those who sabotaged her with "leave it blank"...

...and encouraging "vote uncommitted" in order to sabotage everything. They know who they are with that BS philosophy... and so do I. Unforgivable.

[Autumn]

29. Yeah. Whatever. Did you hear about the guy ICE murdered today?

[lostincalifornia]

35. That would NOT have happened under a President Harris, and that was my point

[Autumn]

42. No that wasn't your point.

[orangecrush]

92. Thanks Autumn

I'm saying bye bye to this one.

[JustAnotherGen]

61. Exactly

I'm going to keep posting this. They sleep well at night because they are anti genocide and that's wonderful for them. But for my Brown and Black Family?

We are owed an apology. The Genocide is here now. Where did the Gaza Genocide Protesters go? Too close to home now? Too personally dangerous now?

Thanks for nothing. Glad you sleep well at night while my 16 year old 1/2 Latina, Black, White and Indigenous future member of the D.A.R. carries her passport to school.

I hope you sleep well at night - because she doesn't. Her little brother? Literally looks like Liam.

In America. We could have avoided it.

[lostincalifornia]

62. Unfortunately the chances for a two state solution is probably gone

for the foreseeable future, and the risk of losing our democracy is very real.

I am very concerned about the integrity of our elections.

[yardwork]

90. A vote against Harris in 2024 was an evil act.

[bdamomma]

31. All this chaos

hate, death, division and the rot of this fascist regime because people did not vote or chose not to vote for a woman. For what to see our country being violated and raped by this thuggish POS DJT!!!!! They are the enemy within. Miller, Hegseth, Noem, Bondi, Patel, Mush, Bessett, Russell Vought. They have blood on their hands!!!!!!!

[creon]

34. Yes

Yes they are to blqme

And the oned who ran off Biden. are to blame as well.

I do not blame those who coted for Trump.
They voluntsrily gave up their moral agency.

[Mysterian]

39. Let's focus on the republicans, shall we?

This is not your first post stirring up agitation against a relatively small number of weirdos.

[Rob H.]

40. Oh, good. I was afraid I'd missed this week's episode

of Loudly Ignoring How the Electoral College Works. Yay.

And before anyone gets their undies in a bunch, some of us live in deep-red, non-swing states. I could’ve voted for a tree stump for all the difference my vote made.

[tinrobot]

41. The people who voted for Trump are the ones soaking in blood.

[bigtree]

45. agreed

...recommended.

[Polybius]

46. Well yeah, but the blames lies elsewhere too

The lack of a mini primary (or even a convention with real opposition) was a colossal mistake.

[SSJVegeta]

51. I dont quite agree

For the most part the people willing to follow illegal orders are ultimately doused in the blood of their victims. There is no statute of limitations on murder and Trump wont protect them forever.

[betsuni]

57. Taking this personally or getting defensive reminds me of the time I read out loud the description

of a seedy downtown area as a place where if someone on the street yells "Hey, asshole!" everyone turns around. My mother never got jokes and it had to be explained and even then she didn't really get it. You wouldn't turn around because why would you think they're yelling at you?

[Scrivener7]

58. So you ARE accusing DUers of not voting for Harris. That's sad.

I would have thought respect for this place was one thing we still had in common.

[yardwork]

86. I read that post the opposite way.

I thought they are saying that it's silly to be defensive about an issue that doesn't apply to oneself.

In other words, if the OP doesn't apply to us, why would we feel defensive?

It's kind of like when I hear other white people say, defensively, "I never owned slaves!" Well, then, why are they defending racism?

[Scrivener7]

88. The discussion is about whether we need regular screeds against those who didn't vote for Harris on a site

where everyone voted for Harris. This post says, "Well, but if you object to those screeds, it must mean you think the complaint applies to you because you didn't vote for Harris."

There are many reasons to find those screeds annoying. On DU, and especially given the identities of the people on this thread expressing the annoyance - Ms. Toad being one example - it is unlikely those objections mean the person didn't vote for Harris.

[yardwork]

89. I just don't read it that way.

I don't think that there is agreement about what this discussion means.

To me, it can't be said too often that anybody who voted for Trump, or voted against Harris with a third party vote, participated in a very evil action: the election of Trump.

I've read a lot of excuses and justifications for not supporting Harris in 2024 but nothing has changed my mind about it: a vote against Harris was an evil, foolish move that has had devastating consequences.

I don't assume that anybody on DU did such a thing but I'm perplexed by the defensiveness.

[Scrivener7]

94. You don't have to agree with the objection. But the point is that the post is saying those who do object are guilty.

[JustAnotherGen]

106. Here? No.

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Threads? If you have built the right algorithm - it's perfectly acceptable.

Posting something of that nature there gets you swarmed as fast as making fun of magapub voters intelligence and/or looks.

That's why I have (just checked) 6,256 profiles blocked. Bots, real people, organizations . . . I block often because I don't have time to worry about - nor am I REQUIRED to care about their feelings on Threads.

[sheshe2]

64. ...

[SocialDemocrat61]

96. Lol 😆

Great response 👍

[sheshe2]

97. Thank you!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

68. Harris was right about trump

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[appmanga]

103. It's hard to argue with the receipts...

...still, there's more than enough blame to go around.

For MAGA and other Republicans who didn't find Trump's racism, criminality, and avarice to be enough of a deterrent. For blacks, and others, co-opted by the stimulus checks and their bigotry against gay and trans people. For the huge numbers of Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans, and Venezuela-Americans who deluded themselves into thinking their hero Trump wouldn't come after their relatives, and who also harbor bigotry against those who are LGBTQ+. For Muslim-Americans who felt Harris was a worse advocate for Gaza and Palestinians than Trump.

But also for those many more than a few white-American Democrats who remain closeted about it, who voted for Trump ostensibly because of "the price of eggs", which has became the acceptable in some quarters lie to cover up their unwillingness to vote for a black woman.

And lastly, for those Democrats and independent who made up their minds to stay home and not vote for the not-perfect Democratic candidate for some over the reasons noted above and others.

Just as it was with Hillary, too many people let their picayune concerns blind them to the bigger picture. The failure to elect Hillary and Harris has left us with issues that are going to take more than a generation to change or resolve, and has allowed Trump to be a proving ground for smarter version of a kleptocratic, oligarchic, kakistocratic, autocratic fascist to succeed where he's failed should we not fix to ability of such a person to ever obtain the reins of power.

[misanthrope]

72. Agreed

Anyone who didn't vote, or voted third party, enabled Trump's victory as much as those who cast votes for Trump.

[B.See]

74. PRECISELY.

[BlueTsunami2018]

79. I think the 77 million who voted for him are responsible.

The Democratic brand is in really bad shape when the worst candidate to ever run beats you twice.

[Keepthesoulalive]

81. The democratic brand is fine

Billionaires, media, influencers, bros, and tankies played a part in our losses. Racism and misogyny also played a part. Our candidates were far more qualified and dedicated than the flim flam man but Americans are ill informed and easily influenced. The crazy excuses from the electorate was depressing and we will all suffer because of their ignorance.

[samsingh]

82. yes

[Zelda_Orchid]

107. United We Stand, Divided We Fall.

The always anti-Democrat "Left" is trying to divide us. Just like the fascists.

[lostincalifornia]

108. That is why we need to get the independent voter to vote Democratic because since 2000, 2016, and 2024.