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*****BREAKING NEWS***** Ted Turner Has Passed (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth 20 hrs ago OP
He had been suffering advanced dementia and his son had taken over the massive land holdings hlthe2b 20 hrs ago #1
Well said malaise 20 hrs ago #2
I live by Vermejo Park DenaliDemocrat 19 hrs ago #13
That is a tiny piece of the story. He did do a lot of good for conservation. You should educate yourself. hlthe2b 19 hrs ago #19
My grandfather was at Ludlow DenaliDemocrat 18 hrs ago #28
It is YOU who is lecturing me and everyone else here--without the facts of those posting here. hlthe2b 17 hrs ago #30
I call out a guy who locks people out of land DenaliDemocrat 17 hrs ago #31
Clearly you did not even bother to read what I posted to you from the CNN biography. hlthe2b 17 hrs ago #32
I live here DenaliDemocrat 17 hrs ago #37
Your living in that part of Colorado* (and I too live here) does not show you know anything about hlthe2b 17 hrs ago #38
Honestly, just stop DenaliDemocrat 16 hrs ago #39
You don't bother to read anything before you spew forth. I already said I agree on Vermejo Park hlthe2b 16 hrs ago #40
Again. My family has lived in this part DenaliDemocrat 16 hrs ago #41
How about you stop arguing about a point with which I have repeatedly stated that we agree? hlthe2b 16 hrs ago #44
How about you quit glazing DenaliDemocrat 15 hrs ago #47
He bought land that you believe was never legal to be sold. Maybe so but you try to extend hlthe2b 15 hrs ago #49
Rockefeller put a bounty on my grandfather's head DenaliDemocrat 15 hrs ago #51
I understand your resentments. But they are misfocused. hlthe2b 15 hrs ago #52
I'm sorry but no... DenaliDemocrat 14 hrs ago #54
A good man he protected prairie lands and supported the American Bison too. Botany 20 hrs ago #3
And Trump is trying to get rid of bison on public land. mtngirl47 19 hrs ago #12
He's an asshole. DenaliDemocrat 19 hrs ago #14
Learn something. Botany 18 hrs ago #20
I live here. DenaliDemocrat 18 hrs ago #22
You can lead a horse to water Mysterian 15 hrs ago #46
Again DenaliDemocrat 15 hrs ago #50
You made your point. Joinfortmill 17 hrs ago #29
In my long career as a communications attorney I interacted with Ted a few times onenote 19 hrs ago #4
I was lucky to attend an advertising sales seminar that he led mtngirl47 19 hrs ago #15
And you have long earned my respect malaise 16 hrs ago #43
Thanks. I'm heading to our island home away from home. Not looking forward to $8 gallon gas. onenote 15 hrs ago #45
Well gas prices are up here malaise 15 hrs ago #48
The sad part is that I can head to the islands, but I can't escape the monsters. onenote 13 hrs ago #57
When I was a waiter Henry203 19 hrs ago #5
He was married to Jane Fonda... kentuck 19 hrs ago #6
I remember they stayed friends Tree Lady 17 hrs ago #36
A great environmentalist - a man that made the world better. walkingman 19 hrs ago #7
RIP Ted. FalloutShelter 19 hrs ago #8
Sad news. 87 yrs. old. From ex Jane Fonda: Liberal In Texas 19 hrs ago #9
So incredibly moving. Thanks for sharing that. Grim Chieftain 19 hrs ago #16
... SheltieLover 19 hrs ago #10
As an addendum... PCIntern 19 hrs ago #11
Lost Cause and Colorization bmichaelh 19 hrs ago #17
I remember seeing Gettysburg edhopper 18 hrs ago #23
Gods and Generals... RetiredParatrooper 18 hrs ago #25
Remember watching the Braves on TBS. Kingofalldems 19 hrs ago #18
The only good thing about his having dementia AdamGG 18 hrs ago #21
Montanans are so hoping Ted Turner's son MontanaMama 18 hrs ago #24
Is that Beauregard? BaronChocula 17 hrs ago #33
I met Ted once... GiqueCee 18 hrs ago #26
... 2naSalit 18 hrs ago #27
I will forever thank him Jilly_in_VA 17 hrs ago #34
Is that why we can't watch WGN anymore?! buzzycrumbhunger 14 hrs ago #53
You got it! Jilly_in_VA 13 hrs ago #56
LOL buzzycrumbhunger 10 hrs ago #59
I kept a letter from him (his office?) from the 1990s. Ilsa 17 hrs ago #35
One of my early jobs. calimary 16 hrs ago #42
Smooth sailing, Captain Outrageous* - may the wind forever be at your back. Buns_of_Fire 13 hrs ago #55
Turner was a pioneer in network news PCB66 12 hrs ago #58
Why does someone always have to come and shit all over a thread recognizing someone who's passed? MorbidButterflyTat 9 hrs ago #60

hlthe2b

(114,457 posts)
1. He had been suffering advanced dementia and his son had taken over the massive land holdings
Wed May 6, 2026, 10:14 AM
20 hrs ago

in Montana, New Mexico and elsewhere. I saw an interview that gave me some faith that the son is going to honor wishes to make these massive lands wildlife refuges.

Ted. You were a good guy. I'm sorry you didn't live long enough to see your CNN accomplishment turn around back to what you intended, but hopefully sometime before it dies under RW ownership...

Be at peace, Ted.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,812 posts)
13. I live by Vermejo Park
Wed May 6, 2026, 11:00 AM
19 hrs ago

And it’s a huge ranch that sells hunts to the highest bidder.

Now, a little bit about that land. CF&I Steel owned huge land holdings to mine coal (the deposits here are rich and the coal is low sulfur and high energy. Rockefeller and his heirs bought that land for next to nothing and exploited Italian, Greeks, and Spanish/Mexican laborers to make their millions. The Ludlow Massacre was in response to Rockefeller’s “militia” where among other things, 4 women and 9 children were burned alive.

That land should be turned into a state park so the descendants of these people can live enjoy as well as others. Right now, it’s $20,000 to hunt am elk.

Ted Turner is a rich asshole. Don’t pretend he’s some kind of nature freedom fighter.

hlthe2b

(114,457 posts)
19. That is a tiny piece of the story. He did do a lot of good for conservation. You should educate yourself.
Wed May 6, 2026, 11:14 AM
19 hrs ago

And no, I don't doubt there are issues with Vermejo Park--which is not fully endowed like most private lands throughout the West and thus the real room for criticism for catering to the rich to sustain it. I agree, but that is not the case with much of his other land holdings. And you don't need to inform THIS COLORADOAN about the Ludlow Massacre, which was recognized as a national monument in 1985. I joined my late Mother in advocating for this with the CO state legislature in 1983-1984--who then pressed and succeeded in gaining national designation. Did YOU?

Here is a start;
https://www.mountainliving.com/conserving-americas-wildlands-the-vision-of-ted-turner/

DenaliDemocrat

(1,812 posts)
28. My grandfather was at Ludlow
Wed May 6, 2026, 12:20 PM
18 hrs ago

Don’t lecture me. This land should be returns to the people who were exploited to acquire it

hlthe2b

(114,457 posts)
30. It is YOU who is lecturing me and everyone else here--without the facts of those posting here.
Wed May 6, 2026, 12:28 PM
17 hrs ago

Your grandfather notwithstanding. So, I repeat. What the hell did YOU do beyond castigating anyone and everyone around you for no reason?

Start with this to widen your tiny aperture about the works of Ted Turner--no saint assuredly, but DID do a tremendous amount of good that will live beyond him:

Turner always had a philanthropic streak, but it began to move to the forefront in 1997, the year after he sold Turner Broadcasting to Time Warner. That’s when he pledged $1 billion to the United Nations. Making good on that pledge took a while longer than he had anticipated – he made his final payment to the UN in 2015 – thanks to the beating his fortune took after the 2001 merger with AOL.

When it was over, he was still a billionaire, but just barely.

Turner didn’t do anything in a small way, including reinventing himself. He was the second biggest landowner in North America, with 2 million acres spread over 28 properties, including 19 ranches in Nebraska, Colorado, Kansas, Montana, New Mexico and South Dakota, as well as in Argentina. The first of his Ted’s Montana Grill restaurants opened in 2002, and now there are more than 40 in 16 states. He managed to bring bison back from the brink of extinction; he had the world’s largest private bison herd, with approximately 51,000 head.

His five children – Rhett Turner, Laura Turner Seydel, Jennie Turner Garlington, Teddy Turner and Beau Turner – serve on the board of the Turner Foundation. His other foundations include his United Nations Foundation, Nuclear Threat Initiative, Captain Planet Foundation and the Turner Endangered Species Fund.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/05/06/us/ted-turner-death

hlthe2b

(114,457 posts)
32. Clearly you did not even bother to read what I posted to you from the CNN biography.
Wed May 6, 2026, 12:35 PM
17 hrs ago

Because he did not do EVERYTHING as you would like (and yes, I would like) but you choose to ignore EVERYTHING else he did. That is beyond narrow-minded in my book. So, any self-sanctimony you claim for Ludlow and by extended claim of your grandfather's sacrifice is lost for that reason.

hlthe2b

(114,457 posts)
38. Your living in that part of Colorado* (and I too live here) does not show you know anything about
Wed May 6, 2026, 01:19 PM
17 hrs ago

his efforts in the rest of the country where he has property deeded to wildlife refuges or similar endeavors. I already indicated my own qualms about Vermejo Park and that I agreed largely with your views on that. But if you were to judged on one action you took in your lifetime while ignoring decades of good actions I'm sure you have undertaken, I would decry that too if in a position to know and to do so. I should think you would want others to do so for you as I would likewise hope you could do for others.

*Given Vermejo Park Ranch stretches over two counties of New Mexico and two in Southern Colorado you could conceivably live in New Mexico, but given your comments on Ludlow Massacre, I'm assuming it is Colorado.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,812 posts)
39. Honestly, just stop
Wed May 6, 2026, 01:47 PM
16 hrs ago

That land was stolen from the Criollos and then used the blood of immigrants to acquire wealth. Turner wildlife ranched and managed it for maximum antler growth for maximum profit.

The land on the Colorado side (ironically owned by. Frenchman billionaire) was donated to the state to be made into the second largest state park in Colorado. The French guy’s family understands better than the Turners. He’s a rich guy who exploits Colorado and New Mexico wildlife selling premium hunts to other millionaires. Glad you drank the Kool Aid. My family has been here since the 1500’s. I go back to the Criollos. I’m not drinking it.

hlthe2b

(114,457 posts)
40. You don't bother to read anything before you spew forth. I already said I agree on Vermejo Park
Wed May 6, 2026, 01:56 PM
16 hrs ago

Ranch and its long history that should have been rectified long ago. I do believe it was the states of NM, CO and the Federal government specifically who should have done so, but nonetheless...

And you don't damned well get to tell ANYONE here to STOP posting. Take your own advice but I don't tolerate bullying by you or anyone--especially since you refuse to read my or others' comments before wrongly posting your own derisive and simplistic take. Turner has altruistic efforts in at least 8 other states that will live on beyond Vermejo Park and its sad history that he was not able or did not try to rectify. Ignore those efforts as you will. As I stated earlier I would doubt that YOU (or anyone else) would want to be remembered for one action you took in your life that could rightly be criticized as opposed to a lifetime of good.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,812 posts)
41. Again. My family has lived in this part
Wed May 6, 2026, 02:01 PM
16 hrs ago

Of the world for 500 years. I knew this land BEFORE Turner bought it. My grandfather worked in the mines associated with this land. My uncle’s, friends, and cousins did too. I have personally suffered losses because of men like Turner exploiting this land and its people. I don’t NEED to read your stories. I LIVED this history so how about you quit telling me how the cow ate the cabbage?

hlthe2b

(114,457 posts)
44. How about you stop arguing about a point with which I have repeatedly stated that we agree?
Wed May 6, 2026, 02:11 PM
16 hrs ago

Are you ineptly trying to create a strawman that doesn't exist?

I am talking about your failure to recognize the work Turner has done throughout much of the rest of the country--outside of NM, CO and the ranch created from that land. Arguably there is a tremendous amount of land that should still remain with Native Americans in the West and into Alaska-- and elsewhere-- but no, it was not up to one man to reverse that process. The issue is the evidence of his good works outside CO and NM that others have provided to you from linked video documentaries, interviews, and linked reporting evidence from a multitude of sources that you refuse to even consider, read, watch. Fine, you hate Ted Turner. We get it. But, others get to consider those other works and the entire life presented before making an assessment.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,812 posts)
47. How about you quit glazing
Wed May 6, 2026, 02:27 PM
15 hrs ago

A billionaire who bought up huge tracts of land and then locks the native people out and sells hunts to his millionaire friends?

You think he’s special? There are hundreds of ranches just like that in this part of the world? It’s a BUSINESS model.

You like him? Great? In my world he’s an asshole.

Oh, and come Columbus Day I would expect you to remain conspicuously silent. Kind of the same deal…

hlthe2b

(114,457 posts)
49. He bought land that you believe was never legal to be sold. Maybe so but you try to extend
Wed May 6, 2026, 02:35 PM
15 hrs ago

that to his efforts across the entire country. You have an ally in me (and others here) that you refuse to even see. No, on Columbus Day, I will NOT be silent as I have not been for decades--nor about the Ludlow Massacre 40 plus years ago when I worked with my Mother in an ultimately successful effort to get that land recognized as a National Landmark--something you are conspicuously silent on YOUR efforts to do anything remotely similar. All you seem to want to do is create strawman arguments on DU--against your natural allies. Smite your own face to do so to others... what a strategy... Do you really want to extend your resentment to all of us?

DenaliDemocrat

(1,812 posts)
51. Rockefeller put a bounty on my grandfather's head
Wed May 6, 2026, 02:45 PM
15 hrs ago

Because he owned the butcher shop and snuck food into the miners at night during the strike. He and my great uncle had to go into hiding. Our ranch is in Berwind canon.

Thanks for recognizing the memorial. Now how about preserving the old jail, the coke ovens, and the company housing?

You have no idea what it is like to live here. I can remember emptying our freezer to feed our friends when the miners went on strike. I remember not being allowed to go to school because the teachers were on strike and this was a union town.

I live this. This is my history.

hlthe2b

(114,457 posts)
52. I understand your resentments. But they are misfocused.
Wed May 6, 2026, 02:51 PM
15 hrs ago

Those who would most support you in making a difference are, instead, the subjects of your disdain and overt contempt sans any effort to distinguish from those who truly are your opponents, enemies, or foes.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,812 posts)
54. I'm sorry but no...
Wed May 6, 2026, 04:13 PM
14 hrs ago

Ted Turner did NOTHING for Raton, Trinidad, Clayton, Springer, Aguilar, etc. He was just another billionaire buying up the land and exploiting the wildlife for profit. He did shit for the communities surrounding the lands he profited from.

If I started a thread here and took a poll how many on DU oppose trophy hunting- what do you think the response would be?

Ted Turner used trophy hunting to fund his ranches (he didn’t need to) and everyone here is singing his praises. He’s just another billionaire exploiting the poor. Sorry.


IMO he needs to turn Vermejo into a state park like the Crazy Frenchman did and provide an industry for southern Colorado and northern New Mexico.

Botany

(77,740 posts)
3. A good man he protected prairie lands and supported the American Bison too.
Wed May 6, 2026, 10:21 AM
20 hrs ago


A life well lived.

Botany

(77,740 posts)
20. Learn something.
Wed May 6, 2026, 11:22 AM
18 hrs ago
&t=173s

I am an expert on native systems and I have personally seen his land in Nebraska and
he and his people have done a great job.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,812 posts)
50. Again
Wed May 6, 2026, 02:39 PM
15 hrs ago

What do you think Turner did that is so special? He bought land stolen from the Criollos by Rockefeller and ranched for wildlife. He sells elk hunts for $25,000 a piece. He sells bison hunts (not really bison though because all bison have been contaminated by cattle DNA) a little less. He locks down huge tracts of land that only millionaires who can afford the fee get to access.

It’s a business model around here. Quite a few billionaire Texans do it too. The only guy who was decent owns the Colorado side of Vermejo, was a French billionaire, and donated it to the State for a park upon his death.

Glad you like him. He’s just another rich asshole exploiting the land and wildlife for his millionaire friends around here.

onenote

(46,215 posts)
4. In my long career as a communications attorney I interacted with Ted a few times
Wed May 6, 2026, 10:23 AM
19 hrs ago

Always memorable. Probably the most interesting person I ever met in person. RIP Ted.

mtngirl47

(1,257 posts)
15. I was lucky to attend an advertising sales seminar that he led
Wed May 6, 2026, 11:03 AM
19 hrs ago

in the late 70s when Turner Outdoor Advertising was a big deal and he was just getting started with the UHF stations.

What a character! I learned lessons from him that I practice to this day!

onenote

(46,215 posts)
45. Thanks. I'm heading to our island home away from home. Not looking forward to $8 gallon gas.
Wed May 6, 2026, 02:25 PM
15 hrs ago

malaise

(297,584 posts)
48. Well gas prices are up here
Wed May 6, 2026, 02:29 PM
15 hrs ago

and so is everything else - we have the trifecta- post Melissa, our idiots and your monsters😀

kentuck

(115,521 posts)
6. He was married to Jane Fonda...
Wed May 6, 2026, 10:26 AM
19 hrs ago

He can't be all bad.

I remember when his TBS station was the pioneer in cable broadcasting. Everybody wanted access to his movie channel.

Liberal In Texas

(16,380 posts)
9. Sad news. 87 yrs. old. From ex Jane Fonda:
Wed May 6, 2026, 10:45 AM
19 hrs ago

Fonda recalled how she cried when Turner told her about his childhood on their second date. They were driving around his 60,000-acre ranch in Montana, and he was passing the time, talking as he drove. Tears ran down her face.

“He literally couldn’t understand why I was crying when he told me stories about what his father did to him,” she said. “Children can’t blame their parents. ‘It’s always my fault; it’s being done for my own good. I must not be good enough.’”

“Given his childhood,” Fonda said, “he should’ve become a dictator. He should’ve become a not nice person. The miracle is that he became what he is. A man who will go to heaven, and there’ll be a lot of animals up there welcoming him, animals that have been brought back from the edge of extinction because of Ted. He’s turned out to be a good guy. And he says he’s not religious. But he, the whole time I was with him, every speech – and he likes to give speeches – he always ends his speech with ‘God bless.’ And he’ll get into heaven. He’s a miracle.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/05/06/us/ted-turner-death

RIP Ted.

bmichaelh

(1,248 posts)
17. Lost Cause and Colorization
Wed May 6, 2026, 11:09 AM
19 hrs ago

Ted Turner wanted to make a trilogy about the Civil War.
He only made two movies: Gettysburg and Gods and Generals.
The last film was never made due to poor box office of Gods and Generals.
The film was criticized by some for promoting "Lost Cause"

Not to mention him colorizing classic B&W films.
Many of the classic B&W films were made by immigrants from Europe and were influenced by German expressionism.
Some American directors, like John Ford, were influenced by German expressionism.
To colorize those films loses something.
Ted Turner and his colorization was spoofed in Gremlins 2.

edhopper

(37,471 posts)
23. I remember seeing Gettysburg
Wed May 6, 2026, 11:43 AM
18 hrs ago

It was straight forward showing the military actions from both sides. I don't recall it taking the side of the Glorious South or the other lost cause crap that Hollywood trafficked in.
It should have been better but had barely serviceable direction.

RetiredParatrooper

(216 posts)
25. Gods and Generals...
Wed May 6, 2026, 11:53 AM
18 hrs ago

...was Lost Cause/Neo-Confederate agit-prop.

And a crappy film compared to Gettysburg.

Kingofalldems

(40,359 posts)
18. Remember watching the Braves on TBS.
Wed May 6, 2026, 11:12 AM
19 hrs ago

Whenever there was a rain delay or rainout Ted had live pro wrestling ready to go.

AdamGG

(1,892 posts)
21. The only good thing about his having dementia
Wed May 6, 2026, 11:30 AM
18 hrs ago

is that maybe he couldn't fully comprehend the wasteland that his creation of cable news had become. Although, it doesn't take many functioning brain cells to perceive that.

RIP to an independent thinker and pioneer.

MontanaMama

(24,743 posts)
24. Montanans are so hoping Ted Turner's son
Wed May 6, 2026, 11:52 AM
18 hrs ago

will continue his father’s legacy on caring for his land holdings. I have a bison skull from his Montana ranch. He was one of the good ones. Cross gently Ted.

BaronChocula

(4,692 posts)
33. Is that Beauregard?
Wed May 6, 2026, 12:56 PM
17 hrs ago

He went to HS with one of my best friends from college. Small world-ish.

GiqueCee

(4,597 posts)
26. I met Ted once...
Wed May 6, 2026, 12:11 PM
18 hrs ago

... however briefly, at Ted Hood's boatyard in Marblehead, Massachusetts fifty-odd years ago. I touched up the transom lettering on his sloop, Tenacious.
Sorry to hear of his passing.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,563 posts)
34. I will forever thank him
Wed May 6, 2026, 01:01 PM
17 hrs ago

for not only the bison, but for having made, however briefly, the Atlanta Braves "America's Team" by putting their games on TBS, the "superstation". I hate what the courts did by taking those superstations away!

RIP Ted.

buzzycrumbhunger

(2,116 posts)
53. Is that why we can't watch WGN anymore?!
Wed May 6, 2026, 03:38 PM
14 hrs ago

Pisses me off that we’ve got to dick around with the MLB app (thank dog T-Mobile offers it free—until playoffs) to watch the Cubbies. (Grew up in Iowa but stuck in fkg Florida for years now, and I am NOT swapping my team for Tampa Bay! )

Jilly_in_VA

(14,563 posts)
56. You got it!
Wed May 6, 2026, 04:56 PM
13 hrs ago

I used to watch the Cubs too! They were my "other" team (I grew up in southern WI). I also used to watch WGN for the Midnight Mass on Christmas Ever. Actually my late friend Sheila, my late ex, and I would come home from doing our own at the Episcopal Church, split a bottle of wine, and watch it together, and occasionally trash the Cardinal's sermon. I remember one Christmas Eve years ago (and several Cardinals ago!) when Sheila turned to me after the sermon and said, "Did he say something?" and we all dissolved in laughter because it was the most pointless sermon any of us had heard in a long while. It might have been Cardinal Bernardin.

buzzycrumbhunger

(2,116 posts)
59. LOL
Wed May 6, 2026, 07:48 PM
10 hrs ago

I gave up TV over a decade ago when I called DirecTV to ask why I couldn’t just pay for the handful of channels I actually watched a la carte (seriously, there were over 1000, and most of those were crappy music channels!) Then laughed in my face and I said FU, then, I’m not buying your crap at all.

And then I had to actually do it. I was only 2-3 seasons into Vikings, too, which really pissed me off. *eyeroll* Florida is so flat that we can’t even get our local TV station, so it was quite an adjustment.

So yeah, I’ve been out of the loop for a few damned years. I *do* read a shit ton, though, and can’t say I miss the constant background noise that surrounded every waking moment…

Ilsa

(64,510 posts)
35. I kept a letter from him (his office?) from the 1990s.
Wed May 6, 2026, 01:06 PM
17 hrs ago

I had written him to thank him for his vocal support for women's reproductive rights.

It's sad that the latter part of his life was taken by dementia.

calimary

(90,589 posts)
42. One of my early jobs.
Wed May 6, 2026, 02:05 PM
16 hrs ago

When I worked there, they were referred to as “Chicken Noodle News”. I worked with a guy whose last name was Weiner (VERY well-named!). How do you forget circumstances like that?

Buns_of_Fire

(19,206 posts)
55. Smooth sailing, Captain Outrageous* - may the wind forever be at your back.
Wed May 6, 2026, 04:39 PM
13 hrs ago

* a nickname given to him in the 80's by an admirer who marveled at his innovations after he took over control of Turner Advertising and started buying UHF stations which became Turner Broadcasting System.

PCB66

(157 posts)
58. Turner was a pioneer in network news
Wed May 6, 2026, 05:56 PM
12 hrs ago

However, like most famous and influential people his legacy is mixed.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,707 posts)
60. Why does someone always have to come and shit all over a thread recognizing someone who's passed?
Wed May 6, 2026, 08:49 PM
9 hrs ago

Ted Turner, RIP.

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