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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSorry Dan Goldman was defeated tonight
Perhaps he could serve in a new Democratic administration in 2029.
RandySF
(87,812 posts)mountain grammy
(29,389 posts)Or even Gillibrand's
Greybnk48
(10,763 posts)canetoad
(21,206 posts)He was an excellent representative.
oasis
(54,308 posts)congressional hearings. He held witnesses feet to the fire.
Scrivener7
(60,338 posts)mopinko
(74,237 posts)AloeVera
(4,625 posts)mr715
(4,818 posts)Some can separate the actions of a nation (Israel) from the tenets of a religion (Judaism).
Some people's politics are focused on the USA and not overseas apartheid states that are our "BIBLICAL" ally.
PufPuf23
(10,026 posts)Democratic voters voted for Lander over Goldman.
choie
(7,096 posts)vanlassie
(6,297 posts)Thats a stretch.
Scrivener7
(60,338 posts)obamanut2012
(29,666 posts)lol
Come on.
JBTaurus83
(1,846 posts)Try harder.
AloeVera
(4,625 posts)This in spite of the endorsement of Goldman by Democratic luminaries Schumer, Jeffries, Hochul and Pelosi.
No, this was not just AIPAC. It was a massive repudiation by voters of the centrist/moderate position on Gaza and the unconditional support for Israel.
mr715
(4,818 posts)AloeVera
(4,625 posts)Massive repudiation not just of AIPAC but the centrist/moderate position on Gaza and unconditioned funding to Israel.
Scrivener7
(60,338 posts)AloeVera
(4,625 posts)I like to state the obvious - and with more words!
Scrivener7
(60,338 posts)Prairie Gates
(8,647 posts)Maybe people will reconsider.
Nanjeanne
(6,813 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(27,558 posts)Too bad so sad.
Nanjeanne
(6,813 posts)kentuck
(116,022 posts)To help clean up the place.
Dave says
(5,498 posts)Sneederbunk
(17,765 posts)calimary
(91,427 posts)Hed be good at it. And it would pump up his profile, too - for possible future campaigns.
jmbar2
(8,271 posts)I'm not a New Yorker, so not up on all the details, but he always seemed to be a solid, decent fighter. We need to find a new role for him. He is a keeper.
hlthe2b
(115,163 posts)There is certainly a need for more help on these voter disenfranchisement lawsuits that Marc Elias and his team (and others) are involved in.
I'm sorry he lost this time around. I thought he was an effective Congressman.
underpants
(197,782 posts)Tommy Carcetti
(44,611 posts)And was happy to have seen him parlay that into public service.
Rather disappointed by that outcome.
littlemissmartypants
(35,416 posts)But as an heir to the Levi Strauss & Co's fortune, his net worth is about a quarter of a billion.
Brad Lander, on the other hand, built his progressive campaign on small-dollar donations and grassroots energy.
Congratulations to all of the winners.
BigmanPigman
(55,742 posts)Every fucking day is the same as the previous day, only shittier due to the sadistic, greedy, psychopathic fake POTUS.
hurl
(1,068 posts)It seems to me that the locals in NY, who presumably know these candidates best, made their own decision. This looks like the most 'small-d' democratic outcome. I liked Goldman too and thought he was brilliant in his very public Trump opposition. That said, should I be upset if voters in that district, the very ones with the most to gain or lose, thought they could do even better?
RandySF
(87,812 posts)EndlessMaze
(110 posts)ITAL
(1,434 posts)Then again I've seen plenty of would be future stars fade away quickly.
Midwestern Democrat
(1,055 posts)by over 30 points is not typically a springboard to higher office - US Senator or Governor - a result like that is much more typically the end of one's political career.
mr715
(4,818 posts)He may very well receive an executive or ambassadorial job. The private sector is always there.
He certainly will be extremely wealthy and never want for anything in his personal life re: possessions
hurl
(1,068 posts)I like Goldman and wish him the best.
mr715
(4,818 posts)I empathize with you in spirit. It is disheartening to see people we've seen fight for us lose because of our inherent human tribalism. They're with our team, so we want them to win.
Please understand I am not trying to box you into feeling a certain way, I'm simply offering my perspective on coping with, shall we say, electoral disappointment.
I've stated before on this forum that it is healthier to view our elected officials strictly through a transactional, public policy agenda. When we are in a primary we ask ourselves, of the choices presented, which of these fulfills the conditions to both achieve the tactical victory of getting elected and the strategic victory of advancing social justice and protecting liberty.
Within this space, "narratives" or other electoral currents drift the conversation one way or the other. In this case, the endorsement of Mamdani and the general anti-establishment, anti-genocide currents pulled an incumbent down and elevated a pseudo-insurgent. I say "pseudo" because Lander is by no means an outsider or without independent qualifications of his own. His candidacy cannot be compared to true insurgent candidacies like Graham Platner or Zohran Mamdani himself.
At this point in history, I am of the opinion that the Democratic party is feeling a need to resist against old paradigms that have given us essentially no political success in the 21st century.
Finding "heroes" in politicians is a recipe for heartbreak because they aren't heroes. They are humans with ambitions. Moreover, they are often compromised by the system that elevates and exalts the rich and the powerful at the expense of those without. This selects for a 'ruling class' of self-interested, arrogant, and insulated leaders.
I was real sad to see Al Franken go, for example. I read his books. He made me laugh. But, on the whole, there was no value lost because his replacement was just as competent as he is, and he got to continue fighting the good fight on a different front than in the Senate. While I was sad to see him go, I processed that he isn't my personal friend and he isn't owed anything by virtue of being famous or having occupied the position he had.
So look... I feel like I know where you are coming from. I hope I understand. We are on the same team.
JBTaurus83
(1,846 posts)Water carriers who are upset that they are being challenged. The guy should have run a better campaign. Such is life, its a primary and he lost.
FHRRK1
(202 posts)But the incumbent got his ass kicked, why?
Response to FHRRK1 (Reply #29)
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FHRRK1
(202 posts)But still would like to see some locals weigh in. You want info on why Katie Porter flamed out, I'm your guy, live in the District she represented.
Did see some info in thread below, but here is my take. And it is basic physics. Push an object on a string far right and it will correct to far left. The middle/pliable five percent swings with the force. That's it.
Now a lot of other factors get mentioned and overblown, but it really comes down the physics, or just the feelings of the pliable 5%. With that, it seems like races like these may create infighting. Please remember, that infighting makes the pliable five percenters relavent.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221326227
obamanut2012
(29,666 posts)Brad Lander is not "far left." Lander is also Jewish, so he is not antisemitic.
Celerity
(55,324 posts)progressives foolishly all ran and split the vote, allowing Goldman to win the seat by winning only 25.8 per cent of the vote in the primary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_New_York#District_10


In 2024, no serious candidate ran against Goldman, and yet he still only got 66.1 per cent of the vote in the primary.

In 2026, once Lander got in, no other major progressive ran against him (and Goldman) in the primary, so Lander easily beat Goldman.
walkingman
(11,285 posts)Celerity
(55,324 posts)Rhiannon12866
(260,975 posts)I'm also in New York and have always wished than I had Rep. Goldman instead of Stefanik.
NJCher
(43,801 posts)To hear Lander speak, notice how articulate he is. Not only is he able to articulate complex concepts exceedingly well, his rate of speech is perfect. I always make a point to listen to him WNYC.
Quiet Em
(3,220 posts)This was not a loss for the Democratic Party.
NY's 10th still has excellent representation in the House.
QueerDuck
(2,111 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(8,295 posts)and AOC doesn't run for that seat, he should go for it. He'd make a fine Senate candidate.
obamanut2012
(29,666 posts)This isn't a loss for the Dems.
TBF
(37,609 posts)but my guess is that even with establishment dems, some will fall due to an anti-establishment mood in the country right now. I'm glad a good progressive was elected but would've been fine w/either.
Hopefully when we get through these primaries and to the general that anti-establishment feeling will hold and usher out a lot of republicans. Then we can put Trump in lame duck status where he belongs.
DinahMoeHum
(23,750 posts)no matter who wins in the primary.
Eyes on the prize, folks.
TBF
(37,609 posts)lots of activists on this site who believe strongly in their candidates. But after we have to come together and push in every dem! 100% agree w/you!!
lapucelle
(21,226 posts)serve in the next Democratic administration (possibly as Attorney General), and run for Senate (and likely win) when a seat opens.
Meanwhile, the folks in NY-10 will get exactly the representation that they deserve.
AloeVera
(4,625 posts)I am sure that's what you meant. Right?
After all, that is what the people of NY-10 deserve. Right?