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kentuck

(116,068 posts)
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 05:35 PM Yesterday

It's inconceivable to me that anyone could rationalize....

the name-calling, the racism, the lying, the cruelty, the criminal behavior, the grifting, the corruption, the narcissism, or the greed for anything than what it is?

Then, excuse it all because they like his "policies"? What "policies" do they like? Do they like the huge taxcuts to the wealthy or the cuts to the food stamps for the poor? Do they like the war in Iran or do they like cutting people off their healthcare? Do they like being hated around the world or do they believe we are respected more now, with the moron in charge?

It is hard to believe that so many people will accept so much shit.

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It's inconceivable to me that anyone could rationalize.... (Original Post) kentuck Yesterday OP
'you can fool all of the people some of the time rampartd Yesterday #1
"I firmly believe that if you can't fool all of the people all of the time..." Grokenstein 10 hrs ago #31
True MAGAT's are a breed unto themselves. Walking advertisements for population control. NoMoreRepugs Yesterday #2
True MAGAT's are an inbreed unto themselves. nt R. P. McMurphy Yesterday #14
;-{) THIS Goonch Yesterday #3
what a fucking lie. Republcians aren't actual men or women. dave99 Yesterday #9
To the Maggots, it's only until something bad happens to them personally, will they start to care sakabatou Yesterday #4
Even then many are fine with it as long as it hurts their perceived enemies as well Whyisthisstillclose 11 hrs ago #29
It is an identity crisis. cachukis Yesterday #5
"The old man is just another child that's grown old"... kentuck Yesterday #6
Been there. Just trying to break out of another shell. cachukis Yesterday #8
You would expect canetoad Yesterday #7
That seems the least we should expect from the President... kentuck Yesterday #11
Bit of a reach, or delusion, to think current leader of over 300m people gives a rat's ass about any of us. Attilatheblond Yesterday #13
They are an irredeemable kkkult of ignorant racist fuckheads Orrex Yesterday #10
See LBJ's take on this. He knew them well. paleotn Yesterday #12
This is why I lose my patience Cosmocat 6 hrs ago #35
It's inconceivable to me that anyone could rationalize.... warmfeet Yesterday #15
When they are asked to name a policy they like Figarosmom Yesterday #16
I will tell you why hookaleft Yesterday #17
One word Botany Yesterday #18
One more word Mysterian Yesterday #19
Two more words: love_katz Yesterday #21
1 more word and some phrases Botany Yesterday #23
Yes, I really think it's misinformation more than racism MadameButterfly 14 hrs ago #28
He is owning the libs AverageOldGuy Yesterday #20
Yes, it boggles the mind ybbor Yesterday #22
Maybe your in-laws have dementia ms.pamela 9 hrs ago #32
People can rationalize all sorts of things EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #24
MAGAts love his "policies" on racism, misogyny, iluvtennis Yesterday #25
If all they ever see is Faux Noise, then all they hear are the lies FakeNoose Yesterday #26
Exactly.....all I watch now is the faux noise, ya know until Nicole and Rachel come on......all the rest suck. a kennedy Yesterday #27
My take on Four months relogic 11 hrs ago #30
So much of his shit is filtered to these people through rightwing media to shine like gold. Beartracks 7 hrs ago #33
I'm now convinced a not insignificant portion of our country is willing to pay for his support of racism and misogyny MLAA 7 hrs ago #34

rampartd

(5,507 posts)
1. 'you can fool all of the people some of the time
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 05:43 PM
Yesterday

and all of the people some of the time....

but you can not fool all of the people all of the time" lincoln

"hold my beer" trump

Grokenstein

(6,464 posts)
31. "I firmly believe that if you can't fool all of the people all of the time..."
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 01:30 PM
10 hrs ago

"you should start breeding them for stupidity." -- the character "Weisshaupt” in Cerebus

Dave Sim was (is?) a creepy prick, but he understood the rightwanker agenda even way back then.

sakabatou

(46,546 posts)
4. To the Maggots, it's only until something bad happens to them personally, will they start to care
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 05:50 PM
Yesterday

cachukis

(4,212 posts)
5. It is an identity crisis.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 05:53 PM
Yesterday

Freud described the id as our internal fragile self.
As we matured we developed an ego that shielded our id. We spend a lot of time on that ego. Should we attain a measure of wisdom we develop a super ego; the ability to do the right thing, regardless of circumstance.
The MAGAt cult is still working to connect with those whose ego is in a fledgling stage as they are not able to deal with those who present a super ego. They found a sand box success in trump.
We are being led by children because some of us are still children and haven't figured that we have an influence to keep those children in the sand box.

canetoad

(21,218 posts)
7. You would expect
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 05:58 PM
Yesterday

The nominal leader of over 300m people to conduct themself with a bit of dignity, especially on the world stage.

kentuck

(116,068 posts)
11. That seems the least we should expect from the President...
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:16 PM
Yesterday

...to not embarrass the country on the world stage. Not to be a jerk. Not to make threats to our allies. Just a pinch of dignity would be more than we have seen.

Attilatheblond

(9,490 posts)
13. Bit of a reach, or delusion, to think current leader of over 300m people gives a rat's ass about any of us.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:22 PM
Yesterday

I got old, have seen too much, and know some people just aren't human

Orrex

(67,544 posts)
10. They are an irredeemable kkkult of ignorant racist fuckheads
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:15 PM
Yesterday

Trump glorifies their ignorance, praises their racism, and validates their fantasies of victimhood.

As a group, they are beyond the reach of fact, logic, evidence, reason, and even personal hardship. They will worship him until the last of them has died, and the world will be no worse off for their departure.

paleotn

(23,085 posts)
12. See LBJ's take on this. He knew them well.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:18 PM
Yesterday

They don't mind the names, overt racism, lying, cruelty and crime because they'd do the exact same thing if they were in his shoes.

American politics has sorted itself into the psychopaths, sociopaths, and generally unsavory people (Republicans)....and everyone else. I said years ago it's like some giant tipped the country and every asshole you've ever met slid to the right and became a Republican, if they weren't Republicans already.

Cosmocat

(15,522 posts)
35. This is why I lose my patience
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 04:50 PM
6 hrs ago

W all the media and pundits who babble about how Ds don't do enough to court MAGA voters.

They go that way because of the hatred and cruelty, they literally dont give a shit about their best interests.

There is no "reaching" them.

warmfeet

(3,328 posts)
15. It's inconceivable to me that anyone could rationalize....
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:28 PM
Yesterday

I am at a loss as well. What the hell is going on?

Figarosmom

(14,755 posts)
16. When they are asked to name a policy they like
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:30 PM
Yesterday

Every single one of them that I have seen, say immigration. We know what that's about.

hookaleft

(1,416 posts)
17. I will tell you why
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:34 PM
Yesterday

My parents live with me. They are elderly, but they vote. They blast FOX news 24-7. I just went to get some ice and they had some stupid bastard ranting about how the Democrats hate God. They eat it up. They are irrational, they think Trump is a God and if you try to tell them he is at a 30% approval rating they go completely sideways. You would think they would want to find out why. But, alas they don't. There is absolutely no way that you can get through to those people. Just give it up.

They are completely clueless about all of the corruption. They don't cover that on FOX. That is the only source of information that they have.

Botany

(78,256 posts)
23. 1 more word and some phrases
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 08:18 PM
Yesterday

Sexism
Anti Intellectualism
Generational stupidity
Christo Fascism
Republicans own the media
Russian produced disinformation
Lack of development of critical thinking

MadameButterfly

(4,287 posts)
28. Yes, I really think it's misinformation more than racism
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 09:21 AM
14 hrs ago

Racism and sexism is exxacerbated by all the misinformation, that certain people are causing your problems. Their policies makes it harder for the working class and people at the bottom, so they have to get them blaming the wrong people (immigrants, minorities, women instead of Republicans, oligarchs) for their problems.

The lack of education and therefore critical thinking plus the information bubble make them vulnerable to lies that most of us wouldn't buy.

If they understood the truth, they wouldn't be voting against their self-interest whatever racist tendencies they were taught in their community and their youth. We all want a good life. We want our stuff. You don't sacrifice your economic needs/desires to denigrate others unless you think elevating yourself is otherwise hopeless and/or you believe the lies that they are keeping you from your stuff.

ybbor

(1,767 posts)
22. Yes, it boggles the mind
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 08:13 PM
Yesterday

My in-laws are full on cultists, and when my wife asks her mom what she likes, her reply is, “You just wait and see!” All defiant and smug! I hate having to spend time with them, and they are closeted MAGA in their retirement community of liberal ex-professors, and wealthy professionals. They truly disgust me. And to top it off, they are Jewish, and lost family in the holocaust. Yet they love their fascist dear leader.

ms.pamela

(107 posts)
32. Maybe your in-laws have dementia
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 01:41 PM
9 hrs ago

In recent years I have witnessed how many older people can be easily swayed by nonsense, especially if they are viewing FOX, Newsmax or other right-wing media. The word is brainwashing and it is easier to do than most of us realize even for those who do not have mental issues.

EdmondDantes_

(2,285 posts)
24. People can rationalize all sorts of things
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 08:21 PM
Yesterday

Some things that have been rationalized include black people deserve to be slaves, Jewish people hosed Germany, white people had a right to everything in what became the United States. Smaller examples include a whole host of cults, gangs, etc.

Individually we all rationalize things that we do that cause harm to others either directly or indirectly.

iluvtennis

(21,565 posts)
25. MAGAts love his "policies" on racism, misogyny,
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 08:26 PM
Yesterday

anti immigrants, anti LGBTQ, anti environment, anti alternative energy, etc, etc, etc

FakeNoose

(43,050 posts)
26. If all they ever see is Faux Noise, then all they hear are the lies
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 08:35 PM
Yesterday

They don't know the truth about Chump and this evil, awful administration like we do. I stopped feeling sorry for them long ago. They are pathetic because they have chosen to live in their bubble. But I believe it explains why they accept this, because they know nothing about it.

As Democrats, our challenge is to reach out to the independent voters because there's still hope to bring them over to our side. many of them are waking up this year - finally - and they want to learn more. We have 4 months to convince them.

a kennedy

(36,763 posts)
27. Exactly.....all I watch now is the faux noise, ya know until Nicole and Rachel come on......all the rest suck.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 08:46 PM
Yesterday

But faux noise…..IS WHAT ALL THE MAGA’s LISTEN TO AND WATCH. And now with this Socialist AND Communism shit being spread on ALL their networks……the Dems have got to learn to counteract them all.

relogic

(396 posts)
30. My take on Four months
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 12:14 PM
11 hrs ago

to reeducate these independents of what they already know/observed. We older folk are exhausted informing their conscience, moral compass and appeals to humanity. I’m not buying that an “independent” needs my further attempts to show them the practicality of voting against this fascism.

If they are truly that undecided after considering the travesty that is unfolding before them via maga, P2025, ICE, impeachments, and the rest, they are not undecided. They’re actually hiding their true allegiance or irredeemably incapable of instruction from me.

Rather than the exhausting entreaties to the “independents”, I will work my voice to hoarseness whipping up the honest voting enclaves that deserve my effort. However, if progressive members within my self-identified politics want to invest their hope to sway these folk to our side I would not stand in their way.

Beartracks

(14,752 posts)
33. So much of his shit is filtered to these people through rightwing media to shine like gold.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 03:51 PM
7 hrs ago

MLAA

(19,860 posts)
34. I'm now convinced a not insignificant portion of our country is willing to pay for his support of racism and misogyny
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 04:22 PM
7 hrs ago

through higher prices, needless wars, cut SS and Medicare benefits and all his and his family’s grift.

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