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BumRushDaShow

(174,584 posts)
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 02:10 PM 14 hrs ago

Trump Admin Warns 4 States Over 250,000 Potential Noncitizens Voting

Source: Newsweek

Published Jul 17, 2026 at 10:07 AM EDT updated Jul 17, 2026 at 01:52 PM EDT


Homeland Security Secretary Markwayne Mullin this week sent letters to officials in four states, warning that a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) review identified what the agency described as more than 250,000 potential non-citizens registered to vote.

Mullin sent letters to the secretaries of state in California, New Jersey, Nevada and Pennsylvania, urging them to work with the department and respond within two weeks regarding efforts to review voter registration records.

The department said its preliminary review found that there may be as many as 190,832 potential non-citizen voter registrations in California, 35,152 in New Jersey, 15,903 in Nevada and 14,576 in Pennsylvania. About 154 million people voted in the 2024 presidential election, so 250,000 represents roughly 0.16 percent of that total.

A copy of the letter obtained by Newsweek shows that DHS told Pennsylvania officials that a preliminary review of voter registration records identified as many as 14,576 potential non-citizens on the state's voter rolls. The department said that, as one example, it identified 8,594 registered voters whose names, dates of birth, addresses, and Social Security numbers matched records DHS associated with non-citizens. Newsweek has not yet independently verified the DHS figures or the department's determination that the identified registrations belong to non-citizens.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-warns-4-states-over-250000-potential-noncitizens-voting-12210404



Need a cease and desist. The courts already tossed this crap process.
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Trump Admin Warns 4 States Over 250,000 Potential Noncitizens Voting (Original Post) BumRushDaShow 14 hrs ago OP
Mullin is the only person in this administration dumber than Trump. Nt Fiendish Thingy 14 hrs ago #1
Dumb relogic 14 hrs ago #5
He will fail. Nt Fiendish Thingy 14 hrs ago #7
And in his failure relogic 13 hrs ago #10
Disagree. AZ8theist 3 hrs ago #43
haha Skittles 14 hrs ago #2
First of all, moreland01 14 hrs ago #3
Well, they appear to be saying these people are 'registered', not just that they 'applied' AZJonnie 14 hrs ago #8
This OhioBack2Blue 14 hrs ago #9
The Agilis ballot sorting machines, moreland01 11 hrs ago #20
I especially like the "Shut up Ohio" part, and I'm from "Porkopolis" ** FadedMullet 6 hrs ago #37
Markwayne Jimbob hasn't given any relevant info yet FakeNoose 10 hrs ago #30
In CA a while back there was a stink about false people registering to vote Old Crank 56 min ago #44
IOW, they have names that sound foreign. Bayard 14 hrs ago #4
Don't some towns in California allow all residents to vote in LOCAL elections, regardless of citizenship? Americanme 14 hrs ago #6
Not 100% sure about California but that is definitely true of some states Wiz Imp 12 hrs ago #18
In primaries only Polybius 7 hrs ago #34
Are the DOGE duds doing the search? mdbl 13 hrs ago #11
Crap. I'd say, don't give potential. Prove undocumented immigrants actually voted. ... aggiesal 13 hrs ago #12
I suppose they overlooked checking the owners of the SS numbers with naturalization databases. Vinca 13 hrs ago #13
Jeez, I just read that "SS' as Gestapo. FadedMullet 6 hrs ago #38
Fuck you, Billy Joe Carl Bob Danny Frank. AZLD4Candidate 13 hrs ago #14
They're lining it all up and moniss 13 hrs ago #15
It doesn't work that way. Wiz Imp 12 hrs ago #19
You misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm moniss 11 hrs ago #22
I think you either misunderstand or ignore what I said. Wiz Imp 10 hrs ago #24
Trump: "Guess the House doesn't exist anymore then!" durablend 10 hrs ago #27
And the "new" House moniss 6 hrs ago #36
You have no clue what you are talking about. Wiz Imp 5 hrs ago #40
You have some sort of comprehension issue since moniss 4 hrs ago #42
I'm not worried about failing to certify in a blue state. nt moniss 11 hrs ago #23
If they can't even enter the building, if there is a 'armed-but-not-identified' gestapo... Justice matters. 4 hrs ago #41
the phrase 'potential non-citizens' is doing a lot of work for them. Should be viewed by MSM analysts as wiggs 13 hrs ago #16
ALL blue states. What are the odds?? AZ8theist 12 hrs ago #17
so what is chuck and the DNC gonna do pimpbot 11 hrs ago #21
Since they've already compiled the list they shouldn't have a problem turning over the names to each state. Buddyzbuddy 10 hrs ago #25
Will someone call for the white coats on Dump? sakabatou 10 hrs ago #26
TPM: 'How Politico's Negligence and Ignorance Helped Float Another DHS Lie' sop 10 hrs ago #28
Let's see your proof.... otherwise STFU! FakeNoose 10 hrs ago #29
Trump says 278,000 noncitizens are on voting rolls. Experts say that's wrong. LetMyPeopleVote 9 hrs ago #31
In his defense, he could only remember the names of 4 US states. n/t flvegan 8 hrs ago #32
Blow it out your ass dotard Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin 7 hrs ago #33
Just More Lies and Nonsense MissouriDem47 7 hrs ago #35
"...POTENTIAL non-citizens...." Grins 5 hrs ago #39

relogic

(480 posts)
5. Dumb
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 02:32 PM
14 hrs ago

and committed to an ideology of brutal hate. Now, given the power to exercise his inner fears and warped patriotism of keeping only white christians in the country he’s able to unleash it brazenly. Indeed, there is a component of certain regions in OK that nurture his kind of pathology.

relogic

(480 posts)
10. And in his failure
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 02:57 PM
13 hrs ago

Last edited Fri Jul 17, 2026, 07:25 PM - Edit history (1)

(like his predecessors) our beleaguered attempts to block his type of authoritarianism is weakened further. His far-right extremism is not new, but in the long term it is abnormally nurtured by millions of voters whether we win some electoral victories or not. We will always have a wealth imbalance to contend with stultifying impact on true democracy.

moreland01

(905 posts)
3. First of all,
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 02:27 PM
14 hrs ago

how would the feds know that California has 35,000 non-citizen voters if they don't have California's voter data?

Second, voter information is public and anyone can get it, if they want. Heck, I can walk down to my county clerk's office and ask for our county's voter data. It costs $75 for the complete list (digitized even!).

Finally, voter registration DOES NOT EQUAL an actual vote. Anyone can fill out a voter registration form. Not everyone will be approved. In Colorado, I had to bring a copy of my birth certificate to get a driver license, which then automatically registered me to vote.

Not sure how California does it.

AZJonnie

(4,338 posts)
8. Well, they appear to be saying these people are 'registered', not just that they 'applied'
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 02:45 PM
14 hrs ago

And I believe it's illegal to even apply if you're not a citizen, though the penalties are significantly less than for actually going through with voting. And I think it's also a requirement that states make sure non-citizen don't become 'registered' and/or remove them from the rolls immediately if they find out a registered person is not eligible.

That being said I think all these states ARE following these laws, are doing their due-diligence, and the administration is probably wrong about the large majority of these cases. If they're not, then the state says 'thanks for the list, we'll look into these accusations and if any are accurate, we'll remove them from rolls, and pursue legal remedies against those people who illegally registered' and that's it.

But like you say, registrations are not VOTES. The actual number of non-citizens going through with voting are a extremely tiny fraction of the total number of votes.

OhioBack2Blue

(242 posts)
9. This
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 02:48 PM
14 hrs ago

1) Voter registration DOES NOT EQUAL an actual vote.
2) Receiving a request form for an absentee ballot does not equal an actual vote
3) Actually completing a request form for an absentee ballot and sending it back does not equal an actual vote
4) Completing a provisional ballot does not equal an actual vote
5)Filling out your deceased parents automically sent ballots (Florida) with your choices and sending it back separately with your own ballot does not equal dead parents voting (those ballots will be caught don’t try it, it is a felony).

The system, in all 50 states, shut up Ohio, you are not special, is very secure. Many accounting cross-checks are in place.

Signed,
Your truly a 15 year election judge!

moreland01

(905 posts)
20. The Agilis ballot sorting machines,
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 05:03 PM
11 hrs ago

as you know, do a really good job of comparing signatures from the mailed ballot envelope to signatures on file.

The ones that get rejected from the Agilis machine go to a group that does signature verification by hand. If they can't match the signature to one of many on file they send a letter to the voter to show up in-person at the Clerk's office.

The system works.

Signed,
Also a long-standing election judge, election supervisor and election reform activist

FakeNoose

(43,527 posts)
30. Markwayne Jimbob hasn't given any relevant info yet
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 06:31 PM
10 hrs ago

He's just a bunch of BS accusations with no proof.

Who knows whether he's using voter registration lists that are current? If they are current where did he get them? They have already lost 15 federal cases where they sued to get the voter registrations, and the federal judges have all shot them down. They are 0-15 in these voter registration lawsuits.

So now they're claiming they have current up-to-date voter lists? Where and how did they get them? Let's see if they even know what they're doing. Chances are really, really good that they haven't got a clue.

Old Crank

(7,510 posts)
44. In CA a while back there was a stink about false people registering to vote
Sat Jul 18, 2026, 03:56 AM
56 min ago

This was done by citizens or groups trying to increase voter registration. Some people called themselves obviously fake names. Micky Mouse, and the like. These were turned into the election offices of the county.
Howls ensued. Look fake voters being turned in by people collecting the registrations. Well it turns out that the people collecting the registrations have to turn in ALL forms that are filled out. It is the law. County workers then verify the names.
It is to protect voters from having their forms tossed by possibly partisan people collecting voter registrations.

Americanme

(611 posts)
6. Don't some towns in California allow all residents to vote in LOCAL elections, regardless of citizenship?
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 02:37 PM
14 hrs ago

Would that explain why they are registered? Even though they are not allowed to vote in state or federal races?

mdbl

(9,179 posts)
11. Are the DOGE duds doing the search?
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 03:08 PM
13 hrs ago

They F'd up the social security stuff- why would this be any different? Our entire federal government is being run by incompetents. Why would I believe anything they say?

aggiesal

(11,090 posts)
12. Crap. I'd say, don't give potential. Prove undocumented immigrants actually voted. ...
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 03:15 PM
13 hrs ago

The truth is that undocumented immigrants wouldn't risk being caught by voting illegally.

Vinca

(54,672 posts)
13. I suppose they overlooked checking the owners of the SS numbers with naturalization databases.
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 03:23 PM
13 hrs ago

moniss

(9,248 posts)
15. They're lining it all up and
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 03:42 PM
13 hrs ago

laying the groundwork to declare they will not seat Democrats who win from certain states. Along with actions like armed presence intimidation, shutting down streets leading to the polls with phony claims of "security operations" etc. and like claiming fraud and seizing ballots so that they can "negate" enough ballots so that a recount will show the Democrat lost rather than won.

They will dare the people to rise up in the streets because they actually desire that so they can further federalize and they have amply demonstrated no restraint in falsely imprisoning people and indeed murdering them in the streets. Not only is there no restraint on their part but rather a yearning to kill. As in the Caribbean, Venezuela, Iran etc.

Wiz Imp

(11,102 posts)
19. It doesn't work that way.
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 04:52 PM
12 hrs ago

Nobody has any power or authority to do anything to prevent any member of the new House of Representatives from being seated on Jan 3, 2027 (all 435 members will be sworn in at once).

The Speaker has no role in seating and swearing in the new Congress because at thaat point he is no longer speaker. His term as speaker ends Jan 3, 2027 as do the terms of all 435 members of the House. Those people who are reelected still need to be re-sworn in just the same as new members. That is done by the House Clerk, a non-partisan position. This will also happen on Jan 3, 2027. The clerk also conducts all business until a new Speaker is elected (could be the same as the old speaker).

Also, approximately half of all House seats are in states with Democratic Governors so there is basically 0 chance of those elections not being certified.

moniss

(9,248 posts)
22. You misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 05:26 PM
11 hrs ago

not saying such a thing would be legitimate or eventually allowed by the court. Taking illegal actions and failing to follow clear laws and court decisions is the demonstrated brand for these people. They still don't comply with rulings on immigration detention for example. They clearly have failed to comply with the law requiring turning over the Epstein files as another example. Delaying and hamstringing seating people/giving a vote as a general matter was already done with SC justices and a US Representative.

The effort will be to gum things up enough to delay certification of results etc. and put off as long as possible control of Congress by Democrats. Even if, and I hope we are successful, in turning the Congress Blue takes place I look for the GQP to gum up the Senate the same way they did under Biden. They will ignore House investigative subpoenas and know full well that any referral to DOJ for contempt will go nowhere. They are going to ride out the next 2+ years with delay and obstruction while they continue purges and destruction. They don't care about anybody saying "no" to them. Not the courts, Congress or the people. Bottom line is they don't intend to comply with any laws and they have no reservations about breaking any laws.

Wiz Imp

(11,102 posts)
24. I think you either misunderstand or ignore what I said.
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 05:53 PM
10 hrs ago

Republicans absolutely can screw with the Senate elections. But they can not "gum up" the House elections. There is literally a 0% chance of Democrats not being seated in the house. Unlike the Supreme Court or seating new representatives during the Congressional session, there is no political partisan participation in the process. At the end of the current session, there are 0 Republicans and 0 Democrats in the House until the new Congress is sworn in. Therefore there is NO Republican with any ability to stop anything. PERIOD.

moniss

(9,248 posts)
36. And the "new" House
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 10:21 PM
6 hrs ago

swearing in that is supposed to happen doesn't mean it will happen as normal because, as the linked PDF shows, the date to convene for the new Congress can be changed (forestalled) by the old Congress before it ends. Furthermore some functions, like conducting the election of the new Speaker are done by the officials from the previous Congress. So if they refuse to proceed then we have delay and a possible legal battle and more delay. The election of a new Speaker takes place first before that new Speaker then administers the oath en masse as it were to the new House. But if you gum this up you can delay at least for awhile until someone gives in. The courts have been reluctant to get into what is "administrative rules" so to speak by which the House and Senate govern themselves.

The swearing in of Oscar De Priest, an African -American from Illinois, and the threat to gum up his being sworn in was an example of previous attempts to delay a swearing in.

The point being that you are relying upon willing compliance and this crowd has demonstrated over and over that even if a law or court decision says "shall" they plain don't care and will ignore clear law, precedent, decorum, rules, tradition and anything else they choose. You have how a good amount of D.C. tore up right now without the required approvals for example. Enough already with thinking that they "won't do" or "can't" because a law, rule, treaty or court decision says they can't. So if Johnson refuses to conduct the election for a new Speaker and the GQP gets a SC justice to issue a TRO until they hear the case then what is anybody going to do other than go along with the delay and fight the legal battle? Riot? It would be exactly what they want in order to declare martial law.

Good Lord over a year ago people were claiming that Crumb the 1st and his cabal would never do this or that because of law, rules, treaties and court decisions. Then they went right ahead and did things. People were aghast and astounded when in fact many of us had been saying for a long time that they would be committing heinous acts. But we were called "alarmist" and lectured about how the laws , treaties, rules and court decisions would protect from that happening because they had words like can't or shall. The failure to comply with the law for release of the Epstein files is just the easiest example of them telling the law and everyone else to screw off.

I have provided an additional link that gives some background about disputes in the past. The Grijalva case is the most recent.

https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/RL/PDF/RL30725/RL30725.32.pdf

https://theconversation.com/house-speakers-refusal-to-seat-arizona-representative-is-supported-by-history-and-law-268455

Wiz Imp

(11,102 posts)
40. You have no clue what you are talking about.
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 11:39 PM
5 hrs ago

You are completely misreading the linked document. I'm done arguing with you. You go ahead and keep believing the Republicans haave super-powers and will refuse to seat all Democrats. I don't understand why a person who believes such garbage would even bother to vote, though, because according to you, the Democrats have no chance. I'll be happy to tell you I told you so when Democrats win a massive majority and are sworn in on January 3, 2027. Goodbye!

moniss

(9,248 posts)
42. You have some sort of comprehension issue since
Sat Jul 18, 2026, 12:46 AM
4 hrs ago

I never said the Democrats have no chance and in fact I specifically mentioned that we hopefully win. But you go ahead and keep believing that words on a piece of paper are going to stop these people and make them quiver. Also it is not, and I never said all Democrats. They only need to muck up enough to keep control.

Justice matters.

(10,318 posts)
41. If they can't even enter the building, if there is a 'armed-but-not-identified' gestapo...
Sat Jul 18, 2026, 12:38 AM
4 hrs ago

(remember in the pedo's first term, when there were BLM protests and pedo went out to a photo op holding a Bible upside down? Yes, that kind of gestapo guards with no identification, no badges?)

If these SS are ordered secretly to circle around the Capitol building on Jan. 2, 2027, and refuse access to every Democratic-elect rep, but only let the repukes in, where will the Dems 'sit' to vote for a Speaker?

wiggs

(8,895 posts)
16. the phrase 'potential non-citizens' is doing a lot of work for them. Should be viewed by MSM analysts as
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 03:46 PM
13 hrs ago

meaningless unless clarified.

In fact, based on all we should have learned by now, analysts should first state that the administration is likely lying, exaggerating, or catapulting propaganda...AGAIN. That's the starting point: assumptions of cheating and lying are likely closer to reality than assuming what they say is real.

pimpbot

(1,194 posts)
21. so what is chuck and the DNC gonna do
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 05:13 PM
11 hrs ago

To combat this obvious attempt to skew the midterms? Its not like its been a secret, they are going to try and prevent people from voting, from counting legit votes, and making it hard to vote.

They are also going to flood the zone with lies and confusion, which will be gleefully repeated and amplified by the media.

Buddyzbuddy

(3,163 posts)
25. Since they've already compiled the list they shouldn't have a problem turning over the names to each state.
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 05:53 PM
10 hrs ago

That's what cooperation would look like.
All of those "illegal voters" and yet Kamala is not the President. Hmm, it makes complete sense, not.

sop

(20,244 posts)
28. TPM: 'How Politico's Negligence and Ignorance Helped Float Another DHS Lie'
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 06:18 PM
10 hrs ago

"Voting rights, voter intimidation and the politics of voting have been central themes of TPM reporting going back more than 25 years. Over a quarter century you develop a lot of institutional knowledge. Today we’re seeing some of the most egregious journalistic negligence, sloppiness and ignorance helping propel forward the Trump White House’s assault on the integrity of the 2026 midterms. The piece I want to point you to this evening is Politico’s claim that DHS found 'thousands of non-citizens on voter rolls in California and three other states.' "

"This claim is almost certainly false for reasons I’ll explain. I want to briefly summarize the multiple levels of journalistic negligence in Politico’s reporting."

"Versions of this claim have been made repeatedly by various right-wing groups and sometimes government agencies. In every case the original claims fall apart on closer scrutiny. In most cases they involve crudely cross-referenced databases in which similar names lead to misidentified individuals, or former non-citizens are listed on old databases who have subsequently been naturalized. In some cases, it’s sloppiness. In other cases, it’s malicious disregard designed to generate false claims."

"The key point is that there’s a long history of these claims and an equally long history of these claims falling apart in the face of the most basic scrutiny. Indeed, there have been repeated instances of detailed audits in red states, run by marquee Republican elected officials, who haven’t been able to come up with more than a handful of non-citizens on voting rolls. It’s even more rare that any of them actually vote. (That’s important because there are various ways non-citizens can end up on voter rolls through things like motor voter auto-enrollment. And being on a voter roll doesn’t mean anyone actually voted.) If you know anything about this topic you know these claims always fall apart."

Article at link:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/how-politicos-negligence-and-ignorance-helped-float-another-dhs-lie

LetMyPeopleVote

(185,039 posts)
31. Trump says 278,000 noncitizens are on voting rolls. Experts say that's wrong.
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 07:06 PM
9 hrs ago

The claim came as the Trump administration vowed to withhold funding from states that don’t participate in federal programs purporting to secure elections.

www.washingtonpost.com/politi...

Daniel Johnson (@danieljohnson.bsky.social) 2026-07-17T21:43:31.431Z

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/07/17/trump-said-278000-noncitizens-are-voting-rolls-experts-say-thats-wrong

According to Trump and Mullin, about 278,000 noncitizens are unlawfully registered to vote in federal elections in a number of states where they said the rolls were reviewed. They said 250,000 of those people were in just four states: Nevada, California, Pennsylvania and New Jersey. Their assessment did not include all states.

The president’s claim suggests that noncitizens who cast ballots could unlawfully swing election results in a particularly tight federal race.

But a review of public documents and interviews with government officials and election experts shows that the figure is significantly overstated and that officials have struggled to find instances of voter fraud by noncitizens to back the president’s assertions. Assessments by government officials and outside election experts have repeatedly concluded that noncitizens represent a miniscule number of voters.

“We can affirm that on its face, we refute these claims. These numbers are wildly speculative at best and the Department of Homeland Security hasn’t shared anything that backs it up,” Nevada Secretary of State Francisco Aguilar said in a statement.......

But relying on publicly available data means that federal officials were probably not using verified and up-to-date information. States often intentionally publish incomplete identifying information on their public voting rolls — such as an incomplete birthday — to protect people’s privacy.....

Election experts said that using this public data would result in confusing the identities of people who have common or similar names. In many instances, naturalized citizens remain improperly labeled as noncitizens in government databases, experts said.

Even as the administration is touting the SAVE database, contradictory court rulings muddled the picture on whether states can participate.

In June, a federal judge in D.C. halted full use of the database when she found some citizens had wrongly had their voter registrations revoked because officials were relying on a system they “knew to be unreliable.” The D.C. Circuit is considering an appeal of that ruling.

MissouriDem47

(483 posts)
35. Just More Lies and Nonsense
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 09:50 PM
7 hrs ago

That what you get when you have a president that has been convicted of 34 felonies. The people he can select are as bad as he is.

Grins

(9,664 posts)
39. "...POTENTIAL non-citizens...."
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 11:28 PM
5 hrs ago

So; they don’t know. Using anal-extraction.

How many of those “potential non-citizens” voted?
Illegally?
And got away with it?

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