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Vogon_Glory

(10,146 posts)
7. No, the old ghosts aren't dead. Mormon persecution is reviving
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 05:10 PM
Sep 29

I’m a history buff and I see the Michigan church shootings differently from many DU’ers. I see it as a sign that the current bunch of Republicans, either through indifference or design, has allowed Fundamentalist/Evangelical bigots to start trashing the Latter-Day Saints the way many Christian sects were wont to do in the mid-19th century. This is one of the first times in recent decades that the sotto voce whispers have turned to bloodshed.

IMO, the Saints’ leadership and many of their church members have been living in an illusion that they’re accepted as full members in the reactionary Religious Right crusade. They’ve ignored the rumblings that many Fundamentalists would be happy to start persecuting them, too. And they’re still asleep at the switch.

So why should Democrats of our stripe care? Mormons tend to be socially conservative and vote that way. And so they have, including the 2024 election.

We should care not only because of our values but because IMO LDS’ers need a reminder that they’re on the edge of a persecution directed at them. Those Republican politicians they’ve given a free pass to are likely as not going to let them be future targets.

I don’t think that the LDS’ers are likely to make good Democrats. But if we can heighten their awareness that they risk persecution themselves, they might consider staying at home next elections, and in states like Utah, Nevada and Arizona, that could make a difference.

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Christian on Christian crime JustAnotherGen Sep 29 #1
If you have credible evidence that Sanford was "angered by the shooting of Kirk", then post it. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 29 #2
Theory, Bernardo canetoad Sep 29 #4
I'm uncomfortable with the comparison to the Heydrich assassination. WarGamer Sep 29 #6
I agree with you canetoad Sep 29 #20
It's tribalism.... WarGamer Sep 29 #22
Not speculaton: fact that Sanford & Nazis did similar thing. It's factless speculation he was moved by Kirk's killing. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 29 #9
He did target a Mormon church, not just a church. The timing merits speculation 617Blue Sep 29 #8
There is no dispute he hated mormons. As to timing, who knows, and yes it is only speculation. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 29 #13
Bernardo, the OP was clearly speculating and discussing an idea. Irish_Dem Sep 29 #11
+1000 BeerBarrelPolka Sep 29 #14
I have no beef with the theory on connecting church fires; it is based on observation. The speculation on Kirk's Bernardo de La Paz Sep 29 #15
Science is based on getting feedback for one's theories. Irish_Dem Sep 29 #17
Science is based on facts & observations. Speculation can inspire science but is not a THEORY & not science per se Bernardo de La Paz Sep 29 #18
This is not correct. Irish_Dem Sep 29 #19
Speculation inspires (starts) science but is not science. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 29 #23
As a big fan of history and one who has read books on the topic and stood at the spot of the assasination in Prague... WarGamer Sep 29 #3
It was a far right lunatic, but Vogon_Glory Sep 29 #10
Part of the problem of these run of the mill psychopaths Prairie Gates Sep 29 #5
No, the old ghosts aren't dead. Mormon persecution is reviving Vogon_Glory Sep 29 #7
I agree the shooter was sending a big message. Irish_Dem Sep 29 #12
..unrelated to the assassination of James Jesse Strang thomski64 Sep 29 #16
Haven't heard about that canetoad Sep 29 #21
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