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BH liberal

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11. I helped train the Kansas National Guard...
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 09:25 AM
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as an active duty artillery officer during the months leading up to my own orders to Vietnam. Elements of the Kansas Guard's 69th Brigade were deployed to Vietnam in 1968. My job as a Second Lieutenant fresh out of artillery school was to ready artillery battery personnel for close support of infantry units. What I quickly found out is that those guard enlisted men and officers were mostly too incompetent to successfully carry out their upcoming missions. And compounding this problem was a prevailing attitude that overseas deployment was "not what we signed up for". Too many had expected that their National Guard enlistment would shield them from seeing duty in combat zones.

The first battery that I took out for trials on the Fort Carson, Colorado firing range failed miserably. That would set the tone for what was to come in the following weeks. The unit leaders were given maps of the location to set up their guns and the coordinates of their assigned targets. The objective was for the battery personnel to correctly lay in the guns and put fire on those targets, mainly old tanks and other equipment placed out on the range. Our job as safety officers and supervisors was to check their work as they set up and prepared to fire. We were not to interfere if mistakes were made, unless those mistakes would endanger lives and property on the base.

To make a long story short, the battery set up 180 degrees out...in other words, they were preparing to fire in the opposite direction from their designated targets. We halted them as they prepared to fire, since their guns were aimed back at the base instead of down range. Naturally, their officers were embarrassed to no end. What's more, the fears of many of the Guard members that their meager training back in Kansas had not been adequate for what was to be expected of them in Vietnam. And we as trainers had too little time to work with them before they were to be deployed.

Later Army Reserve experience in training other states' Guard units during two summers after my own discharge from active duty confirmed the problems Guard members faced. These issues were systemic. Their training was inadequate. Fast forward to present day and our National Guard units are being pressed into service for other jobs for which they are not adequately trained...as law enforcement in this case. They are being misused...criminally...by the Trump Administration.

Poor economies for the middle and lower classes negate the need for a draft or mandatory service. marble falls Saturday #1
It has been this way for a very long time. OldBaldy1701E Saturday #2
Not only income inequality TommyT139 Saturday #3
VT governor Scott refused to send the VT Guard karynnj Saturday #24
This is especially true in the state of West Virginia FakeNoose Saturday #4
I wonder how much training they receive. Hugin Saturday #5
Training wasn't an issue. Sarah Beckstrom had been a Guard member since June, 2023. Gimpyknee Saturday #25
Ummm ... I could swear I read that she was 20 years old? AZJonnie Saturday #27
My mistake - 2023. Gimpyknee Saturday #29
It was reported that popsdenver Saturday #36
I seriously doubt she had training for law enforcement in an urban environment. n/t Hugin Saturday #30
It is being reported that none popsdenver Saturday #37
Why would JustAnotherGen Saturday #7
I'm sure nobody joins the NG expecting to end up playing cop in an American city! ShazzieB Saturday #34
The young lady JustAnotherGen Monday #39
Okay? ShazzieB Tuesday #40
The boyfriend JustAnotherGen Saturday #6
She seemed onboard with keeping Farmer-Rick Saturday #13
I am sure that they were all being fed Republican propaganda popsdenver Saturday #38
She wanted a job with "meaning" as she knew it. haele Saturday #20
True today DownriverDem Saturday #8
Yep. That brings back memories. calimary Saturday #9
In George W's case it was a way to fly cool jets without being put in harm's way. sop Saturday #10
Unless your unit was activated. niyad Saturday #15
Back then it was a legal way to draft dodge dflprincess Saturday #17
I helped train the Kansas National Guard... BH liberal Saturday #11
Your post is so important. Would you consider posting it as its own OP, niyad Saturday #16
I am a newbie poster here and don't think I can start threads yet... BH liberal Saturday #19
Surprise, surprise... BH liberal Saturday #23
It's possible the entry point may be 50 comments before starting a thread AZJonnie Saturday #28
Minimum is 10. niyad Saturday #32
Actually, you are not a newbie, having signed up in Jan. 2024, and have niyad Saturday #31
One Of Many Reasons modrepub Saturday #12
I think our M$M does know what's going on - they just don't report it. Not their job - reporting the news... erronis Saturday #18
Most members of the National Guard, as with the military as a whole, come from the working- and middle-classes. WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #14
That Begs The Question: Why Do we Have This Vast Income Inequality DallasNE Saturday #21
Poverty draft. I know a couple who chose this route. cbabe Saturday #22
We're Still Fighting the Tolerance for Slavery, Indentured Servitude, and Obscene Economic Stratification The Roux Comes First Saturday #26
I was in the Army Reserve, so my experience does not include the Guard. TomSlick Saturday #33
Well said. K&R c-rational Saturday #35
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